Who’s Got the Bottle?
I am sure many Raccoonistas share concerns about the amount of State surveillance. The same may be said of the Daily Mail. But both have their uses from time to time.
Last year a 23 year old student from the United States called Francesco Hounye had been in London for just three days when he made the potentially fatal mistake of walking down towards Shadwell, close to London’s Brick Lane late at night with a bottle of beer in his hand. Unfortunately, he was then set upon by a gang on 5 men, who set upon him and when he tried to escape chased him down and attacked him with kicks, punches – and the bottle, leaving him with a smashed eye socket and in need of 23 stitches and will be permanently scarred.
Police released CCTV footage of the attack in order to identify the men involved in the attack. Here it is:
Four men admitted to the attack: Shaleem Uddin, 20, Shadhat Hussain, 19, Kamrul Hussain, 22, and Massom Rahman, 22. Samad Uddin, 24, denied being involved in the attack, but this week when the matter came on for trial at Snaresbrook Crown Court he finally admitted his involvement in the face of overwhelming evidence.
Here is a link to the full piece from the MailOnline.
I quote the following:
“The Metropolitan Police told MailOnline: ‘There is no evidence to suggest that this attack was a hate crime or motivated by religion in any way. Speculation to the contrary is wrong and potentially damaging to community relations.’
They said Mr Hounye was assaulted simply because he was ‘obviously not local.’
So that’s a relief then.
Sigillum
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July 10, 2014 at 9:59 am -
“They said Mr Hounye was assaulted simply because he was ‘obviously not local.’ ”
Even the Stephen Lawrence murderers deigned to use that defence.
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July 11, 2014 at 7:31 am -
Police statements are always best read as the opposite of what they are saying…
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July 11, 2014 at 11:38 am -
It was later shown that the people doing all that didn’t even live in the area – no better or worse than EDL trouble-makers, in fact.
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July 11, 2014 at 2:08 pm -
Ah, the old “But young Septimus from down the road does it” defence. I don’t know about you, but it never worked for me whenever my dad caught me doing something I shouldn’t have been.
Perhaps poor old Rolf should have profered the defence of “Yeah but your honour, We all know that molesting kids is bad, but poofters and pakis do it”. No?
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July 11, 2014 at 2:35 pm -
XX Perhaps poor old Rolf should have profered the defence of “Yeah but your honour, We all know that molesting kids is bad, but poofters and pakis do it”. No? XX
It is the defence strategy the Pakis, and other scum are using all the time.
The amount of times I have heard in court things like; “Oh, but to throw acid in a wayward daughters face is part of the CULTURE, your worship!”
And the bastards are getting away with it in cases from shop theft to murder, and all in between. Reduced sentences all round, because “It’s their CULTURE!”
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July 11, 2014 at 3:14 pm -
By “getting away with it” you presumably mean those cases that have come to public attention and…. er… resulted in successful prosecutions? Can you actually identify any proven crimes where “the bastards are getting away with it” on the grounds that you claim?
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July 11, 2014 at 3:45 pm -
Spend three or four days a week in any court and just watch “The Paki bonuses” getting handed out.
It is also well doccumented in the likes of “Gates of Vienna” as to the situation in Sweden, whereby, for the sam offences, in similar circumstances, humans are over 50% more likely to end up on lie down than a scum, who constantly get bail, then do runners. Read Udo Ulfkotte, Heinz Buschkowsky, Kerstin Heisig.
Here;
Von Florian Stumfall
Isa S. ist Deutsch-Afghane und als Moslem Anhänger des Propheten Mohammed. Er hatte eine Beziehung mit einem deutsch-amerikanischen Mädchen aufgenommen, das von ihm schwanger wurde. S. verlangte, die werdende Mutter solle das Kind abtreiben, sonst werde sie „den Afghanen in ihm kennenlernen“. Als sich die junge Frau weigerte, geschah genau das: S. erstach seine ehemalige Geliebte hinterrücks mit drei Messerstichen.
Das Gericht lehnte es entgegen der sonstigen Üblichkeiten ab, auf eine „besondere Schwere der Schuld“ zu erkennen, was eine vorzeitige Haftentlassung ermöglichen würde. Hat diese Entscheidung schon weitum für Empörung gesorgt, so war es die Begründung dazu, die das Faß endgültig zum Überlaufen brachte. Der Täter, argumentierte das Gericht, sei mit 23 Jahren noch recht „ungefestigt“ und habe sich überdies „aufgrund seiner kulturellen und religiösen Herkunft in einer Zwangslage befunden“.
http://www.contra-magazin.com/2014/04/der-islam-bonus-gleichheit-vor-dem-gesetz/Threatened his girlfriend that if she did not get an abortion, he would stab her. She refused, he did… three times.
“The accused argued before the court….”due to his cultural and religious background, he found himself pressured to act as it did.”
The court accepted this, and refused to treat the case a “especially serious(!)”
And THIS sort of thing is happening EVERY day, ALL over Europe!
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July 11, 2014 at 5:19 pm -
Well, you’re going to either translate that into English, or – better still – come up with some actual UK examples of, “the bastards are getting away with it” on the grounds that you’ve claimed.
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July 11, 2014 at 6:22 pm -
No. YOU either learn German, like an inteligent person, OR use Babelfisch.
I do not translate for scum.
You follow those links, “Gates of Vienna” for example it is WRITTEN in English, if you can reccognise it when it hits you in the face.
Ask them.
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July 12, 2014 at 8:07 pm -
You know, FT you’re a cheeky little cunt.
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July 12, 2014 at 8:17 pm -
What a charmer.
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July 10, 2014 at 10:20 am -
And if some Asian guy is assaulted by a gang of white women in their own neighbourhood, perhaps throwing pork pies at him for starters, that will not be racist either.
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July 10, 2014 at 10:59 am -
Ed, as far as I know the Chinese, Japanese, etc. are not averse to eating the pork pie. I get very annoyed when those from the middle east and Indian sub-continent get called Asian – they are not. If we mean Pakies why not call them Pakistanis – the truth shouldn’t hurt that much, even if the PCist think so.
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July 10, 2014 at 12:46 pm -
There’s no “E” in the word “Pakis”. As for the PCist word “Pakistanis” they would all have us use, it’s wrong. A person from Afghanistan is never called an Afghanistani, but an Afghan or Afghani depending on whether you’re talking about an individual or the people as a whole.
The word “Pakistan”, (Like all the stans) is a Farsi derived word. The suffix “Stan” means “Land of”. The “I” bit means “People of”. The “Pak” bit in this case means “Pure/Love/Wholesome”.
So a literal translation of Pakistan is “People of the land of the pure”. So to call them “Pakistanis”, would literally be “People of the land of the pure people”, so is linguistically wrong.
Calling them “Asian” also is geographically wrong, as Pakistan being due south of the Himalalayas is not actually in Asia at all, but part of the Indian Sub-Continent as Ivan pointed out.
All this “Pakistani” nonsence is just another example of “Newspeak” used to brow beat people into submission, and in case you haven’t already guessed, it’s one of the things that really get my back up.
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July 10, 2014 at 1:02 pm -
I gather it was Pakstan originally. I would guess they inserted an “i” to make it sound like Afghanistan in English.
” It was coined in 1933 as Pakstan by Choudhry Rahmat Ali”
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July 10, 2014 at 8:01 pm -
The expression ‘paki’ has been used as an insult for decades, and has been understood as such by both the people who use the word and those on the receiving end. Also, Pakistan is indeed part of the Indian sub-continent, which is a constituent part of Asia.
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July 10, 2014 at 8:24 pm -
In Yorkshire in the 60’s the term Paki was not really derogatory, or only very mildly so as an abbreviation for Pakistani. People would also say “I am going out for a Chinky” meaning that they intended to purchase a rice-based takeaway meal from a Chinese restaurant. Today this would probably be considered racially provocative language. Mind you, back then in colloquial speech people referred to the French as frogs, the Germans as krauts, the Americans as yanks, the Italians as eyeties or surrender-monkeys, the Irish as paddies, and Scottish as jocks, and so on. In sexual terms, kissing on the mouth was sometimes known as French kissing, putting the male organ between the female breasts as Russian, and anal sex as Greek. Spanking on the bare buttocks was known on the continent as the English disease, though for the life of me I cannot think why this obviously racist term could have been applied to such a noble race. English disease is now a psychiatric term that refers to a delusional belief that a inferior football team will prevail over better opponents if the desire to win is strong enough.
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July 10, 2014 at 10:56 pm -
In the 1960’s, as a Scottish schoolboy, I was taught by a geography master who told us “The English believe that the foreigners begin at Calais, but here in Scotland we know the wogs start at Carlisle.” Poor bloke would get sacked for that now. He would have to find some other non-racial derogatory term for the English.
Jonathan, it was the French who were ‘surrender monkeys’, along with the joke “How many french soldiers does it take to defend Paris? . . . . . Nobody knows. they’ve never tried.”and “Why are there trees along the sides of the roads in the south of France? Because the French know the Germans prefer to march in the shade.”
The big problem in Yorkshire now is that after the Lee Bowyer / Jonathan Woodgate trial, nobody fancying a curry can dare say “I could just murder an Indian”
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July 10, 2014 at 10:11 pm -
Oh come on! Hold on a moment with the “Paki” comments. I often wonder if, had there been less “Paki bashing” in the 1960s and 1970s (and, though you are probably too young to remember, there was a great deal of it), their children and grandchildren might have had a far less anti-British attitude…
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July 11, 2014 at 12:42 am -
Until recent years, the only time the word “Paki” was taken as an insult, was when the recipient happened to be Indian. But now though, it mostly causes offence to right on lefty twats who who feel the need to take offence on others behalf.
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July 10, 2014 at 8:21 pm -
Surely the majority population of Asia are Chinese, and we have no hesitation in refering to them as such. Why not the same with Pakistanis, or whatever they prefer to be called. I’m surprised some of the other Asian peoples in this country have not made a fuss about this constant reference to “Asians” in order to avoid the truth.
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July 10, 2014 at 9:14 pm -
Surely the Chinese are Orientals? They used to be anyhow.
Perhaps the Chinese are not the best example since their incredible history somewhat dwarves that of us Gweilo’s.
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July 10, 2014 at 1:03 pm -
People from the Middle East don’t get called “Asians,” because they aren’t. In the UK “Asian” is recognised both officially and colloquially as meaning the entire Indian sub-continent, not just Pakistan, and so including India, Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka.
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July 10, 2014 at 1:10 pm -
When speaking to a German friend we had a mild misunderstanding when I referred to “Asians” because they thought I was referring to Vietnam and that sort of area. That seems to stem back to the East German penchant for immigration from North Vietnam during the days of the great Socialist wars.
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July 10, 2014 at 7:46 pm -
……and in Australia it seems, from my several visits there, that Asian would mean such as Vietnamese, Thai, Cambodia, Chinese, etc., etc.
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July 11, 2014 at 11:51 am -
Asia is the landmass west of the Urals and I would say that further south, starts at the eastern Med, although the Levant (Israel, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria) would count as the ‘Near East’ and just a bit Asian!
The bulk of Turkey is known historically as ‘Asia Minor’.
The Indian SUB-continent is clearly part of the same landmass, but a giant peninsula-like mass, cut off at the top by way of the Himalayas and also, I suppose, separated by the British influence.
But the media love to use the word “Asian” as a euphemism to avoid causing ‘offence’.
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July 11, 2014 at 11:48 am -
“I get very annoyed when those from the middle east and Indian sub-continent get called Asian – they are not. If we mean Pakies why not call them Pakistanis”
My main reason for using the term “Asian” is that I find it well-nigh impossible to know at a glance whether a person is Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Sri Lankan – with sub-division of Sinhalese or Tamil…….. and seeing as they all appear to hate one another so much, I would hate to give offence where none was intended. I would no trouble recognising a Sikh however, when I encounter him in my local “Indian” restaurant.
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July 10, 2014 at 10:24 am -
An incident that clearly supports the case for laws prohibiting drinking alcohol on the street perhaps. That seems to have been the interpretation of The Times, at the time. http://www.islamophobiawatch.co.uk/the-times-discovers-another-muslim-patrol/
It would be interesting to know what the “banter” was, that was evidently going on, before it all kicked off but every report I can immediately find are pretty much identical cut&paste copies of that Mail one (the Mail one may be cut&paste too but who knows who did it first) and none of them give any firm indication. -
July 10, 2014 at 10:46 am -
Scared to say anything against the monkey-boys in case they nut up?
I thought the idea was that the Met had the biggest gang of all. I don’t go for this community relations BS either; since when did I have relations with a pack of 7th century baboons. -
July 10, 2014 at 11:21 am -
I think what happened here is pretty plain
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July 10, 2014 at 12:09 pm -
I don’t think it’s plain at all, other than that the Asian guys were quite rightly prosecuted for what I assume was GBH. I am really wondering what the guy on the right said to the American that led the American to start landing the first blows. I’m also intrigued at the apparently foolish bravery of that American, surrounded by a gang of six, who then launches fisticuffs on one of them. Perhaps he hoped to catch them by surprise and run away – that is what seems to be happening. The testimony must explain to some extent what lay behind the build-up to the nasty violence. I have seen much worse on youtube – viz. head-stamping incidents.
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July 10, 2014 at 3:45 pm -
I think what happened here is pretty plain.
So for those of us who don’t have the backstory, can you explain what is pretty plain? There seems to be an implication that these young men were Muslims and attacked the American because he was drinking alcohol openly in the street, which they in some way thought was demeaning of their religious beliefs, so they beat him up. Or alternatively he was drunk and decided to call them bad names and was beaten up for his trouble. Or this was an attempted robbery by a street gang that went wrong when the American put up a fight and had nothing to do with either the beer or the religions of the group. Perhaps that is what the police meant.
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July 10, 2014 at 12:05 pm -
Kindness to strangers is a commandment to observant Muslims. Someone didn’t get the memo, apparently.
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July 10, 2014 at 1:04 pm -
Hmmmm. I find it interesting that the video is from a variable mount system, and that the group of men were being tracked prior to the event. So someone in the control room had an inkling.
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July 10, 2014 at 1:22 pm -
Florida tourist wanders into the wrong area of London: Beaten up.
British tourists wander into the wrong area of Florida: Shot dead.
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July 10, 2014 at 2:00 pm -
Not a “hate crime”? So Mr Hounye was beaten up in a caring, concerned – almost loving – sort of way.
Obviously the word hate has a special meaning to the police that has little to do with its usual meaning.
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July 10, 2014 at 2:29 pm -
Most assaults aren’t hate crimes, they’re just assaults.
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July 10, 2014 at 2:51 pm -
Yup – hate crime is Orwellian double speak.
Beating people up is bad. The “motive” – however pathetic- is irrelevant
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July 10, 2014 at 3:54 pm -
While waiting at a bus stop, I once got threatened by some passing angry chav spoiling for a fight, for having the termerity to glance at him for a nanosecond. He threat was punctuated with references to my weight, hair (lack thereof), and spectacles. He then walked off and lauched a similar tirade at a black guy standing at the next bus stop, inevitably mentioning his colour in the process. Like me, the object of the latter refused to take the bait. If the aggressor had followed through either threat, but by dint of a few words, one being defined as a “hate crime” would have been ludicrous.
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July 10, 2014 at 4:15 pm -
Hate crime might be Orwellian double speak, but if some crimes are intended to arouse inter-ethic or inter-religious passions, for example beating someone up for drinking alcohol in public, there may be some reason for the law to want to punish those crimes with additional severity or regard the motive as an aggravating factor , probably because of the potential to attract copycat crimes.
For example in Florida, beating up a person aged 65 or over is an aggravating factor even if the beater is also over the age of 65. This is not a “hate-crime” per se, unless you call it ageism, but it is saying to potential offenders “if you do this, you will really cop it.” In the US this also creates the potential for plea bargaining as in “You had better plead guilty to causing injury by battery, because if not we are going to charge you with queer bashing and then they will really lock you up and throw away the key.”
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July 10, 2014 at 4:18 pm -
If a Liverpool fan beats up an Everton fan for wearing an Everton scarf, is that a hate crime?
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July 10, 2014 at 4:35 pm -
Only if ACPO says it is.
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July 10, 2014 at 7:20 pm -
Unlikely such a thing would happen. Relations between the fans of the two teams are good.
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July 11, 2014 at 11:42 am -
An Everton fan of my acquaintance refers to them as “the Red Shite” …….
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July 11, 2014 at 5:56 pm -
Yes.
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July 10, 2014 at 4:39 pm -
“His own style of dress and mannerisms”? I think they are trying to say “mincing” in a P.C. kind of way.
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July 10, 2014 at 5:00 pm -
Aye. Abba wrote something along those lines; “Mincing Queen” or something similar.
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July 10, 2014 at 5:08 pm -
But why do you say this? I see US tourists all the time in the Dominican Republic and they tend to dress “inappropriately” by Dominican standards, for example walking down the high street in their basketball kit, or wearing knee-length pink T-shirts and plus fours, wearing baseball caps on backwards, and so on. I imagine they would also stand out on a London street if they were not wearing the same clothes available in London’s mass market clothing stores.
If they actually attacked him because he looked or acted effeminate, then surely this would look like a hate crime, but there is no particular evidence that this is the case, though it could be if the details are being suppressed.
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July 11, 2014 at 7:36 am -
Now, why would the police in an area like this try to suppress details?
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July 11, 2014 at 11:36 am -
It was later shown that the people doing all that didn’t even live in the area.
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July 12, 2014 at 8:34 am -
Which didn’t stop the police ‘softly, softly’ approach one jot or tittle, did it?
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July 12, 2014 at 8:50 pm -
Did it?
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July 13, 2014 at 10:17 am -
Pete, the answer to your question is a firm “Yes, yes they did” as per usual.
This is not some isolated case, but an ever increasing trend. Take a look at the comments on here, there’s pretty much only you handwringing. The backlash is starting, they want vigilante justice, fine, only when they become on the receiving end of it, it won’t be nice and people are going to end up killed.
The Police are actually having to do something about it, as it will be them stuck firmly in the middle of it all when (if left alone as per the policy up to date) kicks off.
The thing with sticking your head in the sand is, it only leave your arse exposed for all the world to kick.
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July 14, 2014 at 2:30 pm -
How exactly does “Yes, yes they did” make sense when there were arrests, convictions, and incarcerations?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2500727/Pair-Islamic-converts-joined-Muslim-patrol-impose-Sharia-Law-London-confiscated-alcohol-threatened-stab-non-believers.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2559426/Converts-Islam-jailed-terrorising-streets-Muslim-Patrol-banned-promoting-Sharia-law-FIVE-YEARS.htmlWhatever next? Claiming that black is white and getting killed on teh next zebra crossing?
As for people getting killed, you mean like Lee Rigby and the two responsible for it going down for 45 years minimum/the rest of their life?
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July 14, 2014 at 6:20 pm -
No Pete, the Lee Rigby thing was not exactly something that could be swept under the carpet is it?
What I mean is like the current crop of drug dealers, round here all “Asian” (there’s that word again) who never get touched. I mean things like the strret battles with bats and machettes round my way by opposing gangs of Hungarians and those pillars of the community the “Asians once again.The Police don’t want to know because whoever they lift from either side, they’re backing a loser by being racist and not fully taking into account their respective cultural norms or traditions.
I mean things like grooming gangs that are rife, and known about for years and nothing being done about it until the tide of public opinion forced their hand. You know that kind of stuff.
Oh and answer my question below regarding and I quote ” All we (Or at least I) are asking for is that the Police response to wrong doing is both equal and proportional to the situation at hand and that their race, creed or colour should be irrelavent. Is that too much to ask?”.
Well? Now what’s your stance on this, if you’re not part of the solution, and believe me hand wringing and pontificating is not coming up with any solutions, then guess what you’re part of the problem.
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July 10, 2014 at 5:01 pm -
This is the kind of story that lends itself to myth making because of the lack of details. Clearly Mr. Hounye has never spoken to any journalist, and may have left the country soon after the attack, for all we know. Every report I could find quoted the same police press release about how he was a student aged 23 who had been in the country only three days. No report anywhere of what subject he was studying, for example, or even whether he was a graduate student, undergraduate, or whatever. Not that we have a right to know, but when there is a lack of details available people tend to use their imagination to fill in whatever they like.
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July 10, 2014 at 5:56 pm -
I did find a slight variant credited to the London Evening Standard, which had him saying he still thought London was the greatest city he’d been in. That quote was obviously long after the assault and presumably after the court case. Given that he was from Florida, not to mention the USA… it made me think he musta bin very much a country boy to find London so impressive……..
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July 10, 2014 at 6:04 pm -
Sounds like he was just being polite, but London is impressive compared to Florida cities, having numerous points of interest, both contemporary and historical, museums, art galleries, parks, the river, plus public transportation that makes all of it easy to get to. Don’t knock London, although a lot of the residential areas leave a lot to be desired, it has a unique set of amenities you won’t find anywhere else. Plus you can visit my birthplace at the Honeypot Lane Maternity Hospital, Kingsbury, North London.
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July 10, 2014 at 6:16 pm -
When were you last in London Jonathan?……
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July 10, 2014 at 6:47 pm -
I cannot recall the year, maybe it was 2000, but I took someone to see Buckingham Palace and the Tower of London and the National Gallery. The trip included the nearby cities of Amsterdam and Paris.
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July 10, 2014 at 7:47 pm -
“Shaleem Uddin, 20, Shadhat Hussain, 19, Kamrul Hussain, 22, and Massom Rahman, 22. Samad Uddin”
Traditional cockney names there I see, guv…fair screams “Knees Up Mother Brown” downnit? Now excuse me while I go get some h’organic fairtrade eels for dinner from Tubby Isaac Kahn-Saddam-Scrabblewinningscore’s.
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July 10, 2014 at 7:52 pm -
Interesting CNN video report here on “Muslim patrols”, groups of men who approach street drinkers, women in short skirts, etc. and try to move them on, or possibly worse. Report is from London, but also features other European cities. Some patrolmen have been arrested for taking harassment too far.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcsG-u2GtZE
Drinking, drugs, and street prostitution are certainly linked with social ills and in one sense one can sympathize, though whether vigilante action is the way to go is another question. In the US “neighborhood watch” groups exist, notoriously in the case of George Zimmerman who killed Trayvon Martin whom he thought looked like a burglar, but such groups are encouraged to register with the police, receive some training from police, and as the name implies, are instructed to watch, but to refrain from direct intervention.
Of course, any attempts to encourage adherence to sharia law in the streets need official approval, and you can’t have people being harassed for taking their dog for a walk just because a certain religion does not rate dogs highly. On the other hand, Jehovah’s witnesses do constantly go from door to door or stop people in the street trying to gain converts, so this kind of thing is not completely out of the question.
Most likely, in the absence of other evidence, these guys were not a “Muslim patrol”, but just hoodlums looking for a fight. They do not seem to have made a case for any moral purpose in their court defense, with one person initially claiming mistaken identity, then pleading guilty. Two of them had previously been before the courts for assault, and one had a prior conviction for offenses involving cocaine and cannabis, which if my memory serves me right, are not approved substances under Sharia law.
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July 10, 2014 at 8:11 pm -
Jonathan, there are now a number of places in Britain in which (for example) it would not be wise for a native Briton, if driving through and lost, to stop and ask for directions. The response would be less than friendly, and along the lines of “This is not your patch; get out of our ghetto”. If you happened to be gay, or a woman with uncovered hair, or carrying a bottle of alcohol, the response may well be even less polite. There have been several cases reported, though they tend to be reported rather quietly.
Herein lies the problem. There are no-go areas for native Britons in Britain. All hail the great god multiculturalism….
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July 10, 2014 at 8:41 pm -
Well, yes, there are no-go areas in the US too, what with everyone living in gated communities with security neighborhood watches, and anytime you go into a residential area you will be observed by someone. There are also areas that are controlled by criminal gangs where it is risky to go. The difference perhaps is that a pizza delivery or taxi service would not be afraid to deliver or pick up in the former areas, but might be at risk of being robbed in the latter areas. I wonder if there are some similarities in the UK.
There could also be some potential for misunderstandings. For example given the penchant for white men to sexually abuse children, at least in the minds of the mainstream media and TV news that is now piped into every post-1984 home, a middle aged man driving alone might be seen as a predator or kerb crawler, even if he was simply lost. Several years ago in the US I was confronted by a very belligerent security guard at an apartment complex when I was simply walking around looking for a property to buy!
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July 11, 2014 at 12:54 am -
There are also no-go areas for “native Britons” that are almost – if not actually – entirely populated by “native Britons,” as well.
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July 11, 2014 at 1:41 am -
I would never go to St. Mary Mead where half the population was murdered between 1930 and 1976, mostly in their homes.
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July 10, 2014 at 11:35 pm -
It’s a stretch to attribute any motive to this other than horrible pack violence which should get the kind of punishment this did. I’ve got to say that in terms of threatening places for young men who look a bit different, downtown Lowestoft or Ipswich beat Brick Lane any day of the week.
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July 11, 2014 at 6:31 pm -
Ditto 90% of Leeds, suffolkgirl; and I’m sure most urban enclaves in this country are the same. Colour doesn’t need to come into it; ‘difference’ is usually enough.
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July 13, 2014 at 10:25 am -
90% of Leeds? I have to call bullshit on this one.
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July 14, 2014 at 2:46 pm -
Quite right. When I lived in Leeds I’d say no more than 50%.
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July 11, 2014 at 1:33 am -
Was listening to The World At One from yesterday on my cell phone while I was cooking. It really is hilarious to listen to UK politics from across the Atlantic and a distance of 12 years since my last visit to those shores.
For example the objections to the appointment of Baroness Elizabeth Butler-Sloss (nee Havers). It is not that she is biased, or incompetent, or senile, oh no! The problem is that because her brother who died twenty years ago was a former Attorney-General and might, who knows, have been involved in covering up establishment paedophile, and because the Baroness is generally a part of “the establishment” that there would be a perception that she was biased, which of course she isn’t–oh no, no one is saying that–but people might think so especially if the same group of people continued to appear on The World At One and other radio and TV shows to keep on saying so enough times. Well, who else would do a better job who isn’t connected with the establishment. Perhaps Sir Mick Jagger, no wait, he is a knight of the realm so part of the establishment. If only Lord Savile of Broadmoor was still alive, then he would be just the chap for the job with his irreverent unestablishment manner and blunt Yorkshire honesty, oh wait!
Or how about Liverpudlian former minister Edwina Currie-Major-Cohen, herself a mother of two, who lost her parliamentary seat after her truthful 1988 remarks about the state of salmonella in the egg industry caused the Parliament of Foules hen holocaust of that year in which millions of innocent birds died. She subsequently had a successful career writing both fiction and non fiction, which should make her very qualified to produce this report, and she could also bring a unique perspective to the parliamentary sexual shenanigans of the eighties and even answer important questions such as whether John Major tucked his shirt into his Y-fronts or performed oral sex. The only blot on her copybook that I can see is that in February 1994, she tabled an amendment to the Criminal Justice and Public Order Bill to lower the age of consent for homosexual sexual acts to 16. This amendment was defeated by 307 votes to 280, much to the distress of those Members of both sexes who voted for the amendment and anticipated winning the youth vote and probably having a bit of fun for themselves with enthusiastic volunteers on the campaign trail.
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July 13, 2014 at 4:44 am -
Just had a look at the video… hmmm
I take it all the countless videos of native white folk coming out of pubs and having fights or beating the shit out of each other at football matches doesn’t bother any of you (especially the author of the article)… but only when Asians are involved do you get an almighty whinge up your fannies..
In any case, where does it say that they’re Pakistanis?… especially when the incident happened in a Bangladeshi neighbourhood.
I suppose anytime someone with a brown face is involved in crime it’s a cue for the natives to whinge like fannies and spew hatred towards Pakistanis…??
Some of you need to look within yourselves.
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July 13, 2014 at 10:39 am -
Again with the “But young Septimus down the road does it” bollox.
Now tell me, when do the Police ever just stand there wringing their hands over community relations etc, when whites are behaving like dicks?
Never, they get their collars felt and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. (OK, shit sentencing apart, but that’s another topic for another day).All we (Or at least I) are asking for is that the Police response to wrong doing is both equal and proportional to the situation at hand and that their race, creed or colour should be irrelavent. Is that too much to ask?
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July 14, 2014 at 2:49 pm -
You obviously didn’t see ‘Police Under Pressure’ on BBC2 recently. Lots of evidence on screen of police being unable to cope with “whites… behaving like dicks.”
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