Mortuary Mendacity – The Yewtree Allegations (continued!)
Another day, and the claims grow ever wilder; now permeating even those parts of the media – like The Times – that you might have relied upon in the past to check their sources and report actual facts. But then with the BBC continuing to taunt the Murdoch press with never ending coverage of ‘phone hacking’, I guess we will have to put up with the children in Murdoch’s playground retaliating…
“Savile’s NHS: relentless, warped abuse of the living and the dead”.
Strange how the BBC have removed every edition of Top of the Pops on which you might catch a glimpse of The Great Predator’, yet the print media continue to taunt the ‘victims’ with a daily diet of pictures of him.
Overnight I have received an e-mail from an impeccable source – a one time girlfriend of Jimmy Savile whom I have been in contact with for a long time; she was not only present when he purchased said ‘ring made from the glass eye of a corpse’ from a stall in London’s Kensington market for the princely sum of £75, but was also aware of said ring’s demise – reduced to a tangled mass in the back of a London taxi by Uri Geller, much to Savile’s distress, because he was really quite taken with the ring…if the glass eye did originate from a corpse, which I seriously doubt, it was not Savile’s doing – now you know.
I shall now continue with my mission to put summaries of the actual results of all those expensive NHS reports into Yewtree allegations, that the media don’t bother to read, on the record…
From Monday, I shall be continuing this process, but I shall also been writing of other matters – mainly because going through these allegations of ‘relentless, warped abuse’ or should I say, so far, ‘relentless, warped allegations’, in the hope of finding anything that might reasonably be said to justify Savile’s position as ‘Britain’s’ No 1 Paedophile’ is making me exceedingly angry. Other countries have proper Paedophiles – we seem, so far, to be making do with an ageing disc jockey much given to kissing arms…
I’m tempted to say – how typically British.
Cardiff Royal Infirmary 21 pages that occupied the time of the Lead Nurse for Safeguarding Adults and the Assistant Director of Nursing for many months.
Operation Yewtree recorded an allegation of sexual assault in respect of Ms ‘A’, a 21/22 year old at that time. Ms ‘A’ claimed that whilst an in-patient at midnight on New Years Eve, Matron (or the Night Sister) attended the ward with three men. Whilst the nurse stood at the end of the ward with the two men talking, patient A was approached by an individual believed to be Jimmy Savile (JS). He was dressed in a tracksuit and had long blonde hair. He was wearing jewellery and was walking quickly around the ward. He took the patient’s left hand and started to kiss it and moved up kissing her arm whilst leaning on the bed. When he got near her shoulder/armpit she felt very uncomfortable and pulled the sheets over herself. The male, believed to be JS then moved away to the next patient.
Two senior nurses visited Ms ‘A’ at her home, where she was attended by her carer, accompanied by a female Nurse Specialist for Safeguarding. Ms ‘A’ was quite anxious and obviously felt affected by the memories, she did not want to go into too much detail.
Which was a bit of a shame, because subsequently it was discovered that:
The discharge summary indicated that surgery on patient A’s left ear had been undertaken. The date of the surgery on the observation chart has been recorded as the 12th of May and date of admission has been recorded as the 10th of May.
The only record of JS attending the CRI that could be found relates to a photograph that was taken in the 1980s. An account given by the member of staff who has the photograph in their possession, was that JS was running a marathon that day and had used the toilet in the CRI before posing for a picture with a number of portering staff.
The UHB has no reason to disbelieve patient A, but no documentary evidence could be found to show that she was in hospital in the CRI on or around New Years Eve 1963/1964 1964/1965 and no evidence could be found to show that JS visited the hospital in the 1960’s.
Digby Hospital, Devon. 19 pages and 5,000 words from the due diligence of the ‘Root Cause Analysis Facilitator’
Operation Yewtree recorded an allegation of rape made by Ms ‘X’ whilst at the Russell Clinic. Ms X stated Jimmy Savile was in a motor home/caravan and he invited her to see the vehicle, where he then raped her. She did not report the incident to anyone at the time and did not believe anyone was aware of what had happened. She provided four photographs; one of herself and another patient with Jimmy Savile; one with one nurse and Jimmy Savile; one of Jimmy Savile and four nurses and one of an unidentified man (who Ms X said was Jimmy Savile’s chauffeur) standing in front of a Mercedes camper-van.
At the time of the alleged incident the Russell Clinic accommodated patients who were admitted in an“acutely disturbed state”. A retired nurse volunteered that she remembered talking to staff in the hospital canteen during a break and someone said that Jimmy Savile had been in that day to visit a patient on a ward. She thought that this was not a special organised event. She said this would have been in the late 1960’s and would have been in Wonford House Hospital not the Russell Clinic at Digby as she was working at Wonford House on the children’s unit at the time. There are no official records which indicate Jimmy Savile visited the hospital, however it is possible he visited a specific patient who he knew, which would not necessarily draw attention of the press or senior hospital staff. There is no reason to doubt Ms X’s account; therefore it is concluded the incident took place.
Moss Side Hospital 31 pages by the Director of Operations, High Secure Services into 4 allegations.
Operation Yewtree recorded three allegations; two where female patients alleged that JS sexually abused them on a ward whilst he was visiting Moss Side Hospital. The third allegation was from a male ex-patient, who claimed that he witnessed JS stroke a patient’s breast at a hospital social event. A fourth allegation came from a former member of staff who stated that JS regularly visited the hospital and who speculated that incidents of abuse could possibly have taken place. The alleged incidents took place between 1971 and 1985.
Allegation One: The investigators were given details of an allegation involving the sexual abuse of Ms X, a female patient between 1971 and 1973. However as Ms X has not consented for the information she provided to the police to be used in the report the details of the allegation have not been included.
Allegation Two: Ms Y indicated the she was wearing a nightie when JS visited the ward during the day. Ms Y stated that she and other female patients were encouraged to sit on JS’s knee and have their photograph taken; Whilst she was sitting on his knee, he put his hand on her thigh and moved it upwards, towards her intimate area. She remonstrated with him screaming in protest, and as a result was isolated by staff when she tried to explain what had happened to her. Ms Y informed the investigators that she had a photograph taken sitting on JS’s knee, though access to this was through her mother. The investigators did not have access to this photograph. Sight of this would have confirmed that JS did visit the ward and Ms Y did have contact with him. It would though not have proved that the incident occurred. Ms Y did not feel able to provide further information to the Trust’s investigators (other than that shared with the police) as she found it very upsetting.
Allegation Three: Mr Z, an ex-member of staff who worked at Moss Side Hospital in the education department for 21 years from 1975, contacted the police to raise his concerns about the activities undertaken by JS. Mr Z said that there were many rumours at the time regarding JS’s visits. Mr Z alleged that at the time, custodial care (care focused on maintaining security) and treatment commonplace. Mr Z’s main purpose in contacting the police was to confirm that JS did attend Moss Side Hospital, and not just Rampton and Broadmoor hospitals as the media seemed to be suggesting. No further investigation required.
Allegation Four: Mr A contacted Operation Yewtree on 9 February 2013 to raise concerns that he had about an alleged incident he had witnessed in approximately 1975 whilst he was a patient at Moss Side Hospital. He vividly recalls JS on this occasion as he had one half of his face shaved and one half with a beard. He remembers seeing JS put his hand down the front of a female patient’s clothing. Mr A was not able to recall her taking exception to this alleged behaviour.
It is clear from speaking with staff that JS did attend Moss Side Hospital between the time periods under review (1971–1985). Investigators have been informed by interviewees that JS came as frequently as four times per year to Moss Side Hospital. He would be invited by the social events organiser and would be a special guest at prize-giving, sporting occasions, fetes and theatrical performances.
All staff who were interviewed have informed investigators that JS was never provided with a set of keys and was always escorted wherever he was in the hospital. The investigators conclude that it is clear from their evidence that JS did attend Moss Side Hospital. JS did have access to patients, though it would have been with staff present based on information provided by all staff interviewed and from the descriptions of the incidents provided by the patients.
Ms X and Ms Y have given a clear description of alleged incidents of abuse. Mr A described an alleged incident with another patient. The investigators do not have any reason to disbelieve them and found their information credible.
Barnet and Chase Farm 25 pages by the Chief Operating Officer and 5 man ‘investigating’ team plus Capsticks Solicitors, LLP to provide legal assurance of the investigation.
Operation Yewtree recorded an allegation by a lady who remembered being a patient on an orthopaedic ward at BGH in 1985. She described having a conversation with the nurses in which they allegedly said they spied on JS and observed him having sex with a dead body.
The conversation reported by the witness happened at BGH, however the incident of JS having sex with dead bodies was alleged to have happened at a different hospital.
That it is likely that the conversation with the nurses happened as the witness said it did however the details of the incident described are hearsay as they were not directly witnessed by the patient who reported the incident.
That the witness cannot be clear in identifying the actual hospital where the alleged incident occurred.
That the Trust could not identify the nurses from the patient’s records and therefore could not interview them to corroborate the allegation.
The investigation undertaken by the Trust could find no record of JS being involved with BGH, either through fund raising events, VIP visits or charitable donations.
Booth Hall Hospital, Manchester. 30 pages by the Associate Director for Clinical Effectiveness.
Operation Yewtree recorded a sexual offence in respect of Miss ‘A’. Circa 1959, the alleged victim A/N249*, then aged 7-8 years old was admitted to Booth Hall Hospital to have an appendectomy. She was in a ward with other patients, there were no staff present. Savile came in to visit accompanied by the patient’s father, the patient’s full statement details the fact that her father not only abused her but allowed Savile to do so. She alleges that this happened numerous times over a period of years. During the visit to Booth Hall Hospital Savile put his hands under the bed clothes and sexually assaulted her. She was not sure how long this took and does not remember it happening again at Booth Hall Hospital. She told no one.
A second allegation was recorded as follows:. In 1974, when the alleged victim was 9 or 10 years old he was a patient in hospital. He named the hospital as ‘Middleton Hospital’. He alleges that the nurses told the patients Jimmy Savile was coming to visit and that they were to hide under the covers and pretend to be asleep. Savile then came over to the bed put his hands under the sheets and onto the victim’s genitals. The victim alleges he then chased Savile from the ward. He reported that he had told his parents when they visited and that they had reported this to Middleton Police Station. On interview he reported that it had been an Aunt and Uncle who had visited in hospital, when asked if they could be interviewed stated “no, you won’t get anything out of them”.
Running throughout this investigation has been the challenge of finding any supporting evidence for the allegations made by the alleged victims. It has not been possible therefore to produce conclusive evidence that the events described by both alleged victims took place.
The investigator concludes that as, enquiries with the Charities Team in relation to records of donation have not provided any evidence to link Savile formally with the Hospital and the Operation Yewtree team have indicated that no further allegations have been received to date, on balance, the likelihood of finding anything was low. The process would also be extremely labour intensive, requiring a microfiche search of newspaper articles over a 15 year period. An intensive online search yielded nothing in respect of official visits made to Booth Hall Hospital by Jimmy Savile.
- erichardcastle
June 27, 2014 at 11:29 am -
I so envy your tenacity and forensic skills.
- GildasTheMonk
June 27, 2014 at 11:34 am -
“Running throughout this investigation has been the challenge of finding any supporting evidence for the allegations made by the alleged victims. It has not been possible therefore to produce conclusive evidence that the events described by both alleged victims took place.”
Exactly – here is the nub of it. It is interesting that in many cases where there IS documentary evidence, it points to at least the unreliability and often the impossibility of the allegations.
I am beginning to wonder about the extent to which mass hysteria if taking place…
- Peter Raite
June 27, 2014 at 12:43 pm -
Indeed. Reading the reports, you get the impression that some of those working on them have been extremely dilligent in disproving “their” allegation/s, but in too many others it a case of, “the informat seems credible, so we’ll put our hands up to it.”
It’s certainly revealing that in the cases where patient records have been retained, many conflict with the patient’s recollection, both in terms of duration or number of hospital stays, or even what year or part of the year they were there. Sadly, with no requirement to do so, many hospitals have not retained records so old, yet in only (IIRC) one case were discharge letters sourced from the patient’s GP (which stand a lot better chance of surviving) provided as evidence.
I’m wondering now if any efforts have been made to trace where JS was generally at any given time. I thought that his secretary had retained his appointment diaries, so you would think they’d be available for cross-referencing.
- Peter Raite
- GildasTheMonk
June 27, 2014 at 11:40 am -
And one click on Amazon brought up this and many like it….
- Gil
June 27, 2014 at 10:40 pm -
Irony must be dead!
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sickening-extent-jimmy-saviles-full-3769301
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5716974/jimmy-savile-made-rings-from-glass-eyes-of-the-dead.htmlhttp://www.google.com/search?q=eyeball+claw+ring&lr=&safe=active&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=FvKtU6D2L_Gv7Ab-2ICADg&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=703
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwyspxKxzXo“One witness was cited in the report as *saying he claimed* he “wore huge rings that he said were made from the glass eyes of dead bodies” held in the mortuary there.
The investigation heard *the entertainer claimed* to have “interfered with the bodies of deceased patients”.”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jimmy-savile-abuse-report-set-to-reveal-accounts-of-sex-offences-in-dozens-of-nhs-hospitals-9563974.html
“And media-savvy Savile himself doesn’t usually give too much away. Which has led to tabloid allegations that he is secretly a necrophiliac, a “poofter”, or “associates” with little girls. Surprisingly enough, Savile does address these questions during our interview…”
http://www.independent.ie/unsorted/features/kids-cant-be-kidded-they-smell-the-truth-26252044.html#sthash.SO5kRnRG.dpuf
- Gil
- Eddy
June 27, 2014 at 11:42 am -
Thanks Anna. I suspect that examination of the evidence against witches from the bad old days of witch burning would produce much the same kind of allegations.
- Mr Wray
June 27, 2014 at 12:22 pm -
So out of all those cases there is not one that has corroborating evidence or, in fact, any evidence. Another case of allegation = truth then?
- Peter Raite
June 27, 2014 at 12:44 pm -
More a case that in the absence of either corroboratory or contradictory evidence, it’s accepted as real.
- Peter Raite
- Peter Raite
June 27, 2014 at 12:50 pm -
All I can say if that if JS is as guilty as so many want him to be, then it seems extraordinary lucky for him that he managed to interfere with so many people in circumstances where he somehow psychically knew that there would be so few records of him even being where he was supposed to be.
- Carol42
June 27, 2014 at 1:26 pm -
Thanks for the wonderful work you have done on this subject Anna. I think they have gone too far with the allegation = proof and more and more are finding it just incredible. Hope one day some real journalist, if there are any left, will investigate this nonsense. I reserve my real loathing for the predatory lawyers who feed off the delusions.
- Stephen
June 27, 2014 at 1:41 pm -
Mmm, ITV might remake that Angela Lansbury show but with MWT in it. Called Paedophile, He Wrote.
- Lancastrian Oik
June 27, 2014 at 1:49 pm -
There’s no evidence.
None.
Nothing.
He didn’t do anything beyond maybe getting a bit saucy with one or two likely-looking lasses. None of this would stand up in court as evidence of rape or indecent assault. The sheer mendacity of the media, from telly to tabloid to broadsheet, and the unquestioning gullibility and nasty prurience of the British public make me feel ashamed.
- Jonathan Mason
June 27, 2014 at 3:52 pm -
The trouble is that under the current moral climate and sentencing regime, kissing all the way up someone’s arm when a hand was proffered probably WOULD get you several years in prison. Back in those days it wasn’t seen as sexual assault and the middle classes didn’t want to seem like prudes or toffee-nosed snobs when dealing with the overt flirty nature of an authentic working-class Yorkshire bloke, or “cheeky chappie” like Savile.
Remember the seaside postcards of Donald McGill that were ubiquitous at one time or the double entendre songs of George Formby like “My little stick of Blackpool rock”? That kind of humour was part of the world that Savile grew up in.
http://images-01.delcampe-static.net/img_large/auction/000/154/689/546_001.jpg
- Jonathan Mason
- Peter Raite
June 27, 2014 at 1:53 pm -
It may not appear seemly, but I am inordinately proud that the newspaper I delivered as a child has had the balls to tell it like it is:
“Jimmy Savile De La Pole sex abuse ‘cannot be proven’ – report”
It may very well be the case that true and accurate reporting is only going to appear in the press local to the individual hospitals, while the London-based national media continues to sing to the same hymn sheet….
- Jonathan Mason
June 27, 2014 at 3:40 pm -
The trust was asked to carry out an investigation about an incident alleged to have taken place on the hospital’s orthopaedic ward in the late 1960s or early 1970s.
Read more at http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Jimmy-Savile-La-Pole-sex-abuse-proven-8211-report/story-21294967-detail/story.html#W5erkG0jus6tmqr7.99I visited De la Pole Hospital near Hull in 1977. As far as I know the hospital did not have an orthpaedic ward as it was a large mental hospital, not a general hospital, of the type typical of those built under the 1890 lunacy act (10 miles from city at end of public transporation lines, large grounds, extensive buildings, self contained). Sometimes mental hospitals do have sick wards where patients who need more intensive nursing care are temporarily housed, but it seems very unlikely that a patient who was on orthopaedic traction would be in such a ward because the nurses would lack the specialist training and knowledge for managing this type of care, and it would be extremely inconvenient for the orthopaedic doctors and consultants to have to travel there to assess the progress of the patient.
So I would call BBS on this in the absence of detailed information as to why an orthopaedic patient on traction was there.
- Jonathan Mason
June 27, 2014 at 4:50 pm -
The readers comments in the Hull Daily Mail article seem to be mostly running against the allegators. This may be the case in local papers where probably the comments are less numerous, less read, and therefore less censored.
It is noticeable that The Guardian ran several articles on the latest Savile report and NONE of them allowed comments. My interpretation of this is that they dare not allow commenting, because with a national commentariat of more literate people, it will be difficult to suppress the truth.
Incidentally I have recently been placed on “pre-moderation” by the Guardian’s Comment is “Free” section for reasons I don’t fully understand (OK for reposting a deleted comment with some changes to remove the parts I thought they might disagree with). Since that time I have had LESS posts suppressed than before–actually zero posts, presumably because the pre-moderators are more reasonable than the “instant moderators” and actually read what is written. Possibly premoderated posts are also immune from deletion because of vindictive “reports” by other commenters of different points of view.
I don’t object to posts being removed for legal reasons, like unintentionally libellous, but do object to them being removed randomly, or just because someone disagrees with me, which they are very welcome to do.
- Jonathan Mason
- Jonathan Mason
- Eddy
June 27, 2014 at 2:33 pm -
The Fairy Tales Commission has investigated the claims by Jack and have found that there is no evidence of the existence of giant beanstalks, giants, golden eggs, singing harps or castles in the clouds. They conclude that there is no reason to doubt Jack’s account; therefore it is concluded the incident took place.
- Peter Raite
June 27, 2014 at 2:44 pm -
Should laugh, but….
- Jonathan Mason
June 27, 2014 at 3:42 pm -
I think many of the people who wrote the reports were just scared to say that the allegations seemed like lies. Maybe some of the would have liked them to be true. (I have worked in jobs equivalent to those of the people who wrote these reports.)
- Eddy
June 27, 2014 at 4:51 pm -
A good point, i wonder if the investigations represents what they actually think and the often contradictory conclusions are what they felt obliged to say.
- Eddy
- Peter Raite
- Peter Raite
June 27, 2014 at 2:48 pm -
Shouldn’t…
- Oi you
June 27, 2014 at 4:21 pm -
It like a game of ‘Emperor’s New Clothes.’ No-one has the courage to speak up and tell the truth! Just what are they afraid of?
- Jonathan Mason
June 27, 2014 at 4:30 pm -
It like a game of ‘Emperor’s New Clothes.’ No-one has the courage to speak up and tell the truth! Just what are they afraid of?
That other people they know at their jobs will vilify them for “victim blaming” or that they will be perceived as unnecessarily defensive of the institution that employs them. Perhaps they have also received instructions on the methodology to be used for the investigations, how the conclusion should be formatted, and so on. Perhaps they have been told that if both Savile and the alleged victim could have been at the institution at the same time, this is sufficient grounds for the matter to be taken further, or at least that they will not be allowed to completely dismiss the allegation.
In the case of de la Pole hospital discussed above, the articles do not really address in sufficient detail questions like whether de la Pole hospital had an orthopaedic ward at all. If it did, that is a surprising fact that would add some authenticity to the allegation, though it would still be a long, long way from proving the complaint.
- Jonathan Mason
- erichardcastle
June 27, 2014 at 4:28 pm -
Liz Dux is doing the media rounds telling all and sundry that Savile’s “victims” are sick of hearing about him on TV.
Helpfully she has sent out press releases & run a ongoing Twitter feed to reinforce thisAlice in Wonderland seems quite tame by comparison.
- Jonathan Mason
June 27, 2014 at 4:33 pm -
It could be true that some have said this to her, and also true that she is doing all she can to get his name out there. Not mutually exclusive. Of course they could stop watching TV if it is making them sick.
- Duncan Disorderly
June 27, 2014 at 6:15 pm -
[trigger alert] Jimmy Savile!
- Duncan Disorderly
- Jonathan Mason
- Duncan Disorderly
June 27, 2014 at 6:14 pm -
Are there any allegations that are both credible and serious in the NHS reports? Time and again I think that something will turn up that absolutely proves Jimmy was a monster, and time and again I am amazed at the awfulness of the evidence that supposedly proves he was.
- Ian B
June 27, 2014 at 6:53 pm -
The unreality of it all is… unreal. I don’t know how these “journalists” sleep at night. Well, other than that their trade requires ridding oneself of any shred of honesty.
I mean that Sun headline, it’s pure lies. It’s lies in terms of the official report, for God’s sake. What “sex victim’s body”? There isn’t any “sex victim’s body” in the official report, for heaven’s sake!
- IlovetheBBC
June 27, 2014 at 7:17 pm -
It’s surprising how little response this latest round of reports has generated on Twitter. Apart from the usual semi-professional suspects, a rash of tasteless jokes and a few Outraged of Tunbridge Wells types, there’s not a lot of comment.
I think many do smell a rat, but they are terrified of saying so. It opens up an ‘appalling vista’ after all. - stephen lewis
June 27, 2014 at 7:36 pm -
I hope you don’t mind but I am repeating some of these elsewhere. I can only assume that the yahoo headline about dead bodies has been arrived at from the I once heard that some nurses had heard or seen that her Aunty ……
As I have pointed out on some forums there are anomalies everywhere. I was not surprised when the news failed to give much of a mention that Stuart Hall, a self confessed felon (though I wonder if this might be a money saving exercise) was found not guilty of several counts of rape.
What must those stories have sounded like for a jury not to convict someone who arrived from a prison cell! - Ms Mildred
June 27, 2014 at 9:32 pm -
It must be a weird situation for these exotically titled hospital investigators trying to fathom out some of these hoary old allegations going back to before some of them were even born. Acting on ‘the victim is to be believed’ or you must not be negative about these allegations and even hint they may be fabricated. So they are instructed to waffle, which the only word I can think of to describe the strange situation they are presented with. No record was made or they have been destroyed or the situation never occurred in the first place. They are not allowed to say it never happened. It reminds me of the times when it was heresy to write or say that the earth went round the sun. You were ostracised. People avoided you in case your opinion contaminated them and they landed up being got at by the inquisition. How can society regress so much over someone who is dead and gone and should be allowed to rest in peace.
- Jonathan Mason
June 27, 2014 at 10:14 pm -
Exactly. Normally in investigations by hospital risk managers of, say, physical abuse, the investigator is looking for something called “evidence” which might be an unexplained bruise or swelling–something that can be photographed, or stitches, broken bones that can be X-rayed, and so on, because without that “evidence” or closed circuit TV evidence, that complaint probably won’t get very far.
Cases of patient sexual abuse by staff are rather rare and one would immediately be looking at the mental state of the person complaining to be sure that they are not delusional or spiteful, and if they are found to be coherent, then looking for physical evidence of some kind that is consistent with the complaint.
Of course times were different. I personally know of a case in 1976 in which a which a married male psychiatric student nurse went to the house of a very attractive female patient, also married and separated, and had sex with her, which I gather was consensual. I still remember the names of both parties and which ward she was on, but obviously would not divulge here. At the time the whole thing was hushed up and I don’t think he was even suspended, or if he was it was just for a short time. I think everyone envied him as she was VERY attractive. Of course today he would probably have been thrown into a dungeon, but things WERE different then, so that is why Jimmy Savile kissing ladies all the way up their arms went unnoticed. It was not considered worth noticing at that time, so there would be no paper trail of incident reports, disciplinary actions, and so on, and in Savile’s case the hospitals would have been flattered to receive a celebrity visit so even outre behaviour would have been regarded as “show-biz flamboyancy” rather than as sexual assault.
- Jonathan Mason
- Rightwinggit
June 27, 2014 at 11:17 pm -
There’s a stiffy joke in there, somewhere….
- Cascadian
June 28, 2014 at 1:29 am -
So lets give thanks to Brian Leveson the celebrities lawyer, having potentially made it too expensive for newspapers to write tittle-tattle about live footballers, footballer wives, c-list celebrities, princes and princesses and assorted dregs of society who have not the wit to use a four-digit password on their voice-mailbox, the newspapers now concentrate on the fanciful claims against dead celebrities of various over-excited women and their feminist enablers. Well done Brian.
I feel extremely sorry for the relatives of Jimmy Saville who have to live with this, and feel extremely fortunate to have left yUK behind many years ago. - erichardcastle
June 28, 2014 at 3:17 am -
During my previous career the majority of work was insurance claims investigations. Just a whiff of something suspect required an exhaustive going over of the claim.
I was very good at it. There is a justification for ensuring claims are honest : two things drive up insurance costs around the world- crime (drug related crime is the main reason insurance costs are so high) and dodgy claims.I was always pleased to be able to report a claim was genuine : the old ‘whiplash’ scam required very expensive and time consuming investigations. These days it’s very simple with new cheap cameras : for instance a parked car loaded with tiny cameras pointed in all directions linked to your computer- several suspect’s houses can be watched around the clock at the same time . I have one former colleague who has a collection of old bangers bought cheaply but which inside are crammed with tiny cameras.
In the past it required men on the ground and was expensive and time consuming.People with genuine life changing injuries deserve every penny they get especially if they have insurance policies to cover such events.
With burglary & fire claims over 50% of claims are either exaggerated deliberately or by mistake and are knocked down to far less than claimed.The point is : it didn’t stop there -exhaustive medical reports and so on. Even obvious injuries, say the loss of a leg in a car accident still required a mountain of red-tape, doctor & police reports etc etc before a claimant could be paid.
And that is still how it works.Yet we have a lawyer like Liz Dux of Slater & Gordon- unlike any other I ever worked for – demanding silence from critics with a ruthless ferocity from those who dare question what are claims for compensation on would could only be the filing of a “he did this to me…” form which as long it sounds credible (ie it happened on Earth & not the Moon) will be accepted without a smidgen if investigation.
That is unique and sets very dangerous precedents.
I would say the insurance industry is already trying to work out ways to protect themselves from future fraud- especially companies that concentrate on schools, hospitals etc.The general public seem quite ignorant to the fact they are actually paying for all this via expensive reports that just re-hash this stuff and in the future via huge insurance premiums- just as they actually pay for the “War on Drugs” world-wide.
I’ve always said that it’s the cost that will end this madness. In Germany they have piut a time limit on compensation claims- also in NSW (and I expect other Aust states to follow).## if you have a life threatening illness caused by your work as in the infamous case of Bernie Banton ( I did tons of boring ground work for his lawyers) who had Asbestos-Related Pleural Disease- along with 100s of others- you can be sure the company will fight to the bitter end for as many years as possible- decades if need be- as they did in his case- including the mega corporation James Hardie moving their entire offices to The Netherlands to avoid lawsuits. Bernie prevailed in the end but it killed him. His case is not unusual.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Banton- corevalue
June 28, 2014 at 7:54 am -
I know about claiming for compensation for asbestos-related disease, I am in the process of making one. In the UK at least, provided you have evidence (I was lucky enough to retain magazine articles about the work, and prove my employment record) it seems to relatively easy. BUT you do have to provide real evidence of time/place/exposure and not just hearsay, and the evidence is examined by a court unless settled outside, which most companies do to avoid excessive legal fees. The government have also introduced a general compensation scheme for the case of the insurance company not being traceable, but again, you don’t just get the money on an allegation.
Perhaps the only hope of getting some of these claims against JS ridiculed is if the estate/NHS/BBC are defended properly, but it looks like the PC position of “must believe the victims” is going to roll over that. I also fervently hope that the government don’t introduce a blanket compensation scheme for alleged historical sex offenses modeled on the mesothelioma scheme.
I had my exposure to asbestos rebuilding recording studios in London back in the late 60’s/early 70s, before that I worked for the BBC, and three times visited TOTP, once in the audience when I was 17, twice as a BBC employee. Claims that assault was happening on the show are ridiculous. The show mostly consists of floor managers herding dumb teenagers from one end of the studio to another, sometimes physically pushing them as the changeover between the acts was very short.
During those days,I knew some of the Jim’ll fix it production team. In the music industry of the time with hormonally charged rock stars and scalp-hunting groupies, and gay inpressarios and agents prepared to boost your show business career for “favours”….these NHS reports seem to risibly trivial. The music industry was awash with rumours, even including Royalty – but I never heard one about JS.
My fear is that this has all been “amped up” by shadowy “powers that be” as a precursor for the introduction of some truly awful freedom limiting legislation, or extra police powers.
- corevalue
- erichardcastle
June 28, 2014 at 3:28 am -
## I meant to add : it’s worth reading up on how Britain opposed the fight for compensation- a fight that lasted decades – for those who were affected during the Maralinga nuclear tests during the 60s (where Australia became the most nuclear bombed country on the planet- by it’s ally).
They Aboriginal tribesmen- and the UK servicemen possibly should have claimed ‘rape’ instead.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/cabinet-papers/uk-opposed-compensation-for-maralinga-nuclear-victims/story-fnkuhyre-1226793123018 - Eddy
June 28, 2014 at 8:55 am -
Anna, didn’t hospitals have visiting hours back then? I’m not sure when that changed but these used to be specific times when you could visit patients. It would be unlikely that there would be no staff around at those times.
- TheyFearTheHare
June 28, 2014 at 2:38 pm -
@mwilliamsthomas: Sadly & wrongly the biggest winners in the Saville scandal will be the lawyers.
MWT spouting his nonsense on twitter earlier today
What goes on inside his delusional mind really is beyond my comprehension. It’s beyond belief that one charlatan can create so much mischief.
- Peter Raite
June 28, 2014 at 5:44 pm -
I see that the BBC page with the links to all the reports have now filled in a lot of the blanks, and anyone casting their eye down them will quickly realise how shakey so many of them are:
Portsmouth Royal Hospital – “The report concludes that it is “highly unlikely” the incident took place.”
Cardiff Royal Infirmary – “The investigators were “unable to reach a conclusion about whether the incident took place”.”
Great Ormond Street – “One allegation of sexual abuse of a patient in 1971. Report found no evidence that Savile was at the hospital at the time.”
Barnet General Hospital – “Investigators concluded incident did not happen at Barnet although conversation did take place.”
Booth Hall Children’s Hospital – “Investigators cannot say conclusively whether the incidents took place.”
De La Pole Hospital – “Investigators found no evidence of the alleged assault…”
Dryburn Hospital – “Allegations of potential procuring of children for Savile. No evidence was found to support this.”
Hammersmith Hospital – “No evidence of an association between the hospital and Savile.”
Leavesden Secure Mental Health Hospital – “Person thought Savile may have visited the hospital in the 1970s but report finds this unlikely.”
Royal Marsden Hospital – ” No evidence was found of Savile’s association with Royal Marsden.”
Maudsley Hospital – “Report found no evidence of wrongdoing.”
Odstock Hospital, Salisbury – “Report found no allegation of wrongdoing by Savile.”
Queen Victoria Hospital, East Grinstead – “Investigators did not doubt that the attack happened but thought Savile was not involved.”
Royal Victoria Infirmary – “No allegation of wrongdoing made.”
Wythenshawe Hospital – “No evidence that Savile was present on the hospital site.”
Woodhouse Eaves / Roecliffe Manor – “Investigators found that it was likely that abuse had happened at the location but it was not possible to conclude it was carried out by Savile.”So that’s sixteen out of 28, what put the presumption of credibility in a few of the other in a different light.
- Moor Larkin
June 30, 2014 at 9:46 pm -
I wonder how much Lampard is being paid for this litanny of triteness.
Great list btw.
- Moor Larkin
- Ms Mildred
June 29, 2014 at 8:19 am -
I heard another passing comment about Duncroft again yesterday by an LBC presenter. Savile was introduced as ‘that creep’, which he was in my book too, but only for being weird and irritating. She glossed up the glass eye business as if she really believed that murky tale. I can hear him saying it even. Not to be taken seriously, just being goulish, if he ever said it. Then you can say anything once someone is dead, and you backdate to so many years ago, that it takes the NHS thousands of expensive working hours of, exotically titled, well paid officials, to check on these strange tales of a lifetime away. Then come up with ‘no evidence Savile was ever on the hospital site’. The sassy presenter then launched into a rant about public money being spent on compo. She suggested it be shared out of Savile’s legacy, end of story…no more. First of all she had to bring up Savile’s alleged worst creepiest activities to show she was toeing the line. No one dare say in public that many of the claims are bunkum or they will be sent to the Starchamber and be twitter raged…..oh calamity!
- Rob
June 30, 2014 at 6:46 am -
“Other countries have proper Paedophiles – we seem, so far, to be making do with an ageing disc jockey much given to kissing arms…”
We have a plenty of proper paedophiles in the UK, mostly imported . The whole point of digging up historical allegations against old White men and prosecuting them hysterically in the press is to cover up or at least balance the convictions of the thousands (and counting) of Muslim child rapists who have destroyed the lives of tens of thousands of English children. Diversity is our strength after all. The emotional, mental and physical well being of English children is nothing in the establishments eyes , destroying us through diversity is everything. This is just a very cynical attempt at stopping us natives from getting restless and defending what is ours. The Police , politicians (Jack Strawvinski) and teh press have all known about the Muslim child rape gangs for decades and have done nothing because we do not matter but our destruction through dieversity does.
- Peter Raite
June 30, 2014 at 12:14 pm -
“Thousands”?
- Rob
June 30, 2014 at 12:33 pm -
- Margaret Jervis
June 30, 2014 at 12:52 pm -
I feel constrained to temper the hype on this – http://www.saff.ukhq.co.uk/asiangangs.htm
in the interests of fairness.- Rob
June 30, 2014 at 2:04 pm -
Don’t you think it needs some hype.
- Peter Raite
June 30, 2014 at 2:25 pm -
I think you need better proof of you claim of “thousands” than something like lawandfreedomfoundation.org
- Rob
June 30, 2014 at 3:44 pm -
What bothers you more; A claim of thousands , which is more than believable given the time frame and the nature of the suspects, or the fact that English children are being raped in large numbers by Muslim child rape gangs and that that was covered up for decades by the establishment( making official sources far more suspect)
- Peter Raite
June 30, 2014 at 3:53 pm -
You’d give Edward Woodward nightmares with a straw man that big.
- Rob
June 30, 2014 at 4:13 pm -
I don’t see it as a straw man. I’m asking what bothers you more.
- Peter Raite
June 30, 2014 at 10:17 pm -
Why should I be bothered by a “choice” of two rabid fantasies?
- Rob
June 30, 2014 at 10:33 pm -
But unfortunately they’re not fantasy. As a quick search proves the same pattern is being repeated across Europe. It makes you uncomfortable but so what? Muslim child rape gangs are finally be brought to court as soon as that could no longer be avoided the media , all of sudden , discover ancient allegations against old White men.
- Peter Raite
July 1, 2014 at 9:56 am -
A few isolated cases don’t add up to the “thousands” you are claiming. Your paranoid fantasies do not make me “uncomfortable” quite simply because they are paranoid fantasies.
- Rob
July 3, 2014 at 9:07 am -
Well it is in fact thousands and it’s a pattern that’s repeated across Europe. I can’t see how stating these truths is either rabid or fantasy. It undermines certain political fantasies – “diversity is a strength” etc. etc. ad nauseum – which is I expect what makes you so obviously uncomfortable and emotional.
- Peter Raite
- Rob
- Peter Raite
- Rob
June 30, 2014 at 3:44 pm -
Is saff credible then?
- Peter Raite
June 30, 2014 at 3:55 pm -
I have no idea, but it’s clear that Gavin Boby has scare-mongering form.
- Margaret Jervis
June 30, 2014 at 3:55 pm -
You haven’t read the sidebar to the article. That will explain why it was published by SAFF – it was commissioned by Inside Time. The authors are criminal defence lawyers who have wide experience of similar cases. As you will read, it is not an apologia for criminal offences and (before this was revealed in subsequent reports) states that the conduct was overlooked by the authorities who should have intervened. But this does not translate into the necessary truth of all that is claimed and the investigation process may be flawed through presumption and other factors. There has been virtually no public discussion of the potential pitfalls and the fact that it was rejected at the last minute by Inside Times for the reasons given demonstrates an intrinsic bias in the media and elsewhere.
- Rob
June 30, 2014 at 5:25 pm -
“Ganging up on Asians’ was commissioned by Inside Time in January 2011” In 2011 the story was breaking thanks in no mall part to the BNP and other Nationalist groups however there was still many in the establishment that thought they could either sweep it under the carpet or that it wasn’t happening because it didn’t fit their anti-White pro colonist prejudices (Libby Brookes is guilty of this). So far this year alone around 300 muslim child rapists have been apprehended by the police all most all of their victims have been English children, others have been other Europeans. If , IF, I’m out by a few hundred I don’t care. I’m not interested in being fair , a standard which seems to be set by a middle class who didn’t care about poor English children getting raped until they were forced to. They didn’t care because it didn’t fit the victim narrative and wasn’t going to increase their social capital among their right on trendy mates, I care about justice then revenge.
- Moor Larkin
June 30, 2014 at 9:49 pm -
Many cultures do not share those British standards so treasured by the generations of the past. That is one reason why those generations need now to be revealed as the paedophiles they really were. It’s a good trick if people are willing to fall for it, and they are.
- Moor Larkin
- Rob
- Peter Raite
- Rob
- Peter Raite
- Rob
- Margaret Jervis
- Rob
- Peter Raite
- Fat Steve
June 30, 2014 at 5:25 pm -
@Margaret Jervis saff article —The problem was not merely the absence of police intervention, but the self-assertion of the victims themselves who, under the banner of ‘ children’ s rights’ , viewed it as their sovereign right to hang out with whomsoever they pleased, doing whatever they liked.
On the button —that rather convoluted logic that upholds aspects of ‘rights’ but without concomitant duties —-and in this instance certain aspects of multi culturalism as being ‘good;and others aspects of a different culture being intrinsically bad though I rather doubt there is much of an inevitable link between general Pakistani/Islamic culture and child trafficking —though I don’t dispute that some aspects of Pakistani/Islamic attitudes by some to some women are oppressive.
When I was younger all pimps were by repute Maltese as if somehow it was an aspect of the culture of Malta.
.- Jonathan Mason
June 30, 2014 at 5:40 pm -
Forty years ago I remember a neighbour of mine taking in a teenage girl and pimping her, or trying to pimp her. I was a non-taker. He was an Irish train driver in Liverpool, and apparently at the time it was not unknown for teenage runaways to be befriended by train drivers and guards. Perhaps the Director General of British Rail should be exhumed to answer questions about exploitation of young women who had gone off the rails.
- Jonathan Mason
- Moor Larkin
July 1, 2014 at 10:03 am -
Just struck me that there’s no sign of Amanda Holden’s shocking NHS story.
http://metro.co.uk/2013/10/21/amanda-holden-jimmy-savile-tried-to-seduce-me-in-hospital-4154582/ - Gil
July 1, 2014 at 3:07 pm -
What were the women in the Savile documentaries in Duncroft for and have they remained on the right side of the law since?
If MWT was on the BBC Newsnight team and Fiona was one of the women in the later Savile documentary on ITV, hadn’t he heard about the letter from the people at Newsnight?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2217352/Jimmy-Savile-scandal-Fake-letter-cast-doubt-victims-claims-played-key-role-BBC-decision.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/9580096/Jimmy-Savile-Questions-about-why-BBC-dropped-Newsnight-investigation.html - Alexander Baron
July 29, 2014 at 10:59 am -
Just a thought but how about organisating a trial of Jimmy Savile? They did that for Lee Harvey Oswald in 1977 and again a decade later. The big difference is that Oswald was guilty and there was masses of real evidence against him.
There is a really interesting contrast here. Over the past half century countless cranks and otherwise normal people have done everything in their power to explain away the evidence against Oswald, and although they haven’t been able to refute any of it a substantial tranche of the American public and of the public worldwide believe either that Oswald did not act alone or that he was totally innocent.
By contrast the evidence against Savile is universally weak and much of it is ludicrous, yet we are expected to believe he is guilty on all counts simply because so many people have come forward to make weak or clearly unsustainable allegations.
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