Filthy Lucre and Prurience.
After the idea of anyone under the age of 18 engaging in any form of sex, nothing excites the British quite so much as the idea of paying for sex. Paying with money that is. We have never made up our mind whether it is paying money for sex or receiving money for sex that is the greater crime.
You note that I stipulate ‘money’; in the current act payment is defined as ‘financial advantage’ or the provision of ‘goods or services’, but the idea that the expensive bauble draped round your neck over dinner might be exchanged later that night for sexual relief doesn’t seem to upset people to quite the degree that using dirty pound notes to establish consent to a contract for a mutual exchange of bodily fluids does.
The increasingly pessimistic view of the male of the species which is currently infecting the Feministas on the left as brutish hordes who must be restrained before they violate even the Lesbians amongst them has long had a problem with prostitutes. They renamed them ‘sex-workers’ to give them due dignity as liberated women, but then realised that this still left men with an outlet for their ‘darker side’ as it is now known. ‘We can’t be having that’, they cried.
And so, for 2014, ‘sex-workers’ are being re-cast as ‘victims of Human Trafficking’. Such an evil, redolent of the chains of slavery, must be extinguished, banned, outlawed. Across the nation, worthy moral guardians have girded their loins and pontificated at length on the perils that befall vulnerable females who have been forced into deciding to have sex – not by the man with the filthy lucre, but by even more evil men who have terrified the poor mite into doing so.
Where did we first begin to lose the sense that these were intelligent women who had made the decision that they would support their children – or their drug habit, let us not be picky – by taking the cash rather than the diamonds?
I would suggest that the first sign was the 2008 publication of the report by the Human Trafficking Centre in Sheffield. Now being a Libertarian, rather than a Feminist, I do question the wisdom and cost of establishing the Human Trafficking Centre before setting them the task of finding out whether there was any Human Trafficking going on in Great Britain. It does make their conclusion less than surprising; of course there was, and they were just the people to tackle it!
Jackie ‘the bath plug’ Smith announced to loud cheers that ‘Operation Pentameter Two’ had been a ‘great success’ – ‘arresting 528 criminals associated with one of the worst crimes threatening our society’.
Oh dear; the truth dissolved into mere assertions faster than ‘Operation Yewtree’ claims of more ‘celebrity arrests next week’. The Guardian, to its credit, dug deeper and discovered an embarrassing shortage of sex traffickers, despite the six months of trawling by 55 different police forces in England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland together with the UK Border Agency, the Serious and Organised Crime Agency, the Foreign Office, the Northern Ireland Office, the Scottish government, the Crown Prosecution Service and various NGOs in what was trumpeted as “the largest ever police crackdown on human trafficking”.
Those 528 arrests vaporised into just five men convicted of trafficking – all five of whom had been arrested before Operation Pentameter had commenced. The police had raided – and disrupted a business which contributes £5bn to the UK economy – in 822 brothels, massage parlours and saunas, and failed to find a single new victim besides the two they already knew about.
Cambodia is not the only country where you wait in vain for the appearance of the ‘Lesser Spotted Sex Trafficked Victim‘.
The Moral Guardians are not dissuaded by mere facts though. Reason can be buried under a tottering pile of speculative claims and crushed by hysterical allegations. Perhaps a country with two trafficked sex-workers was not in need of legislation to outlaw prostitution – but surely a country that had arrested 528 ‘criminals’ associated with one of the ‘worst crimes threatening society’ needed to protect their ‘victims’? Truth fled in the face of moral outrage, reason shook its head and departed the scene. The Moral Guardians drew up legislation…
Across the UK, variations of Human Trafficking acts came into play; though where the International definition of trafficking in the UN Protocol defines it as a person ‘trafficked for sex against their will or with the use of coercion or force’, the UK version says simply arranging air tickets for someone intending to work in the sex trade – of their own free will – means that you will have contravened the 2003 Sexual Offences Act.
The drive was on to see all women, everywhere, as victims of beastly men. Harriet Harman was pressing to be allowed to outlaw ‘paying for sex’. She didn’t succeed.
What she did succeed in doing was to make independent women more vulnerable. She hid them away, banned them from the streets or operating out of cars with other people around. The strumpet house which had operated since Shakespearean times has always been a bone of contention; it is probably the safest way for prostitutes to operate – with a maid, and other girls around, or even God forbid, a man for security – but has been illegal since 1956. Isolated in this way, they are more vulnerable to the attentions of a pimp. It is a curious way in which to protect women, should that be your intention.
“Sex workers, for good legitimate reasons, choose to work through agencies or brothels. These agents offer sex workers security, anonymity and general companionship. It would be considered an abuse of our human rights if the government were to force every worker in the land to work alone and without contact with fellow workers.”
Now the attention is turning to the customers. Sweden has had ‘tremendous success’ following criminalisation of those purchasing sex services – ‘since 1999 the number of women working the streets has halved’.
Advertising of prostitution through the internet has increased in Sweden. This is not due to the law, but to the development of online technology generally.
So lone women, advertising on the Internet, working alone in apartments, scared to let the neighbours know to ‘keep an ear out’ in case their customers are prosecuted, is considered an advantage, a success, a model we should be following?
It’s not as simple as that, naturally – and tomorrow I shall be looking at the economics surrounding the ‘rescue’ of this new variety of ‘vulnerable victim’ that is being created out of the oldest profession.
The sex-workers are not taking it lying down.
- Chromatistes
June 2, 2014 at 8:47 am -
So not too busy on your birthday to prepare another juicy post for your acolytes …
- Joe Public
June 2, 2014 at 8:52 am -
O/T – Savile & the Beeb.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27621777Tonight – Panorama – Savile: The Power to Abuse is on BBC One on 2 June at 20:30 BST.
- Moor Larkin
June 2, 2014 at 8:57 am -
- rabbitaway
June 2, 2014 at 9:29 am -
For now you do
Apparently the NSPCC has had FIFTY yes just 50 more reports about Savile since GVAV was published. Tonights crap centres mainly on Broadmoor Hospital, obviously for max effect (politically that is) I wonder if Edwina will make an appearance ! She appeared to know next to F**k all when twat interviewed her for Exposure Pt 2 !
http://rabbitaway.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/i-think-he-appointed-himself-inside.html- Moor Larkin
June 2, 2014 at 9:33 am -
she knew eggs wuz eggs….
- Ho Hum
June 2, 2014 at 10:59 am -
Especially in her role as the chick of the family value turkey
- John Galt
June 2, 2014 at 8:49 pm -
It was the whole Edwina Currie / John Major affair that was the final glitter on the turd at the end of Tory hegemony that did for me.
How can you have an affair where neither is the catch — uggghhh!
- Ho Hum
- Moor Larkin
- rabbitaway
- Moor Larkin
- Ho Hum
June 2, 2014 at 8:53 am -
Sometimes one feels that the Feminista brigade is bonking mad. Other people’s common sense and ability to apply reasonable discernment are the virtues that have really left the building
- macheath
June 2, 2014 at 11:42 am -
(With the landlady’s kind permission to lower the tone)
You can add a sense of humour to the departing virtues as well. The choice of the name ‘Pentameter’ is interesting, given that, during the time when Jackie Smith and I were both involved in left-wing student politics, the following limerick was doing the Oxbridge rounds:A Shakespearean scholar from Lampeter
Had a tool of prodigious diameter,
Though it wasn’t the size
Gave the girls a surprise
But the rhythm – iambic pentameter.I can only assume that, however much amusement it caused in the bar on University Left club-nights, no-one ever dared to utter it in the hearing of the hard-line, po-faced feminists.
- Ho Hum
June 2, 2014 at 12:32 pm -
So any po faced Oxbridge lass, in seeking to find their Mr Goodbar, or rhythm maker, one whose ancient history may possibly have originated in the land of Drum, might maybe have been following up a subconscious desire to emulate the punch line from some joke, long repressed in their memory? Like, sort of…
da Drum, da Drum, da Drum, da Drum, da Drum?
- Ho Hum
- macheath
- Moor Larkin
June 2, 2014 at 8:54 am -
Surely the issue for the feminista brigade (most of whom seem to be men these days) is that it is the men who have the diamonds or the lucre, as applicable? A redistribution of wealth is what is really at issue. The UK Divorce laws had done their best to rectify this institutional misogyny, but the collapse of the need to get married in the first place are threatening the long-term resolution of this problem. Pre-nups in this respect are clearly the work of the devil, who is of course quite rightly always represented as a horny man.
- John Galt
June 2, 2014 at 9:04 pm -
Hence the need to pass equivalent legislation covering separation after cohabitation as applies in Australia. Lord Lester tried and failed with his 2008 bill, which was considered too radical.
Because if the plebs are too fearful of the costs and consequences of marriage, we’ll have to tie redistribution to living in sin.
Sorry – Got to go. There is a rally of the Junior Anti-Sex League organised in Victory Square tonight.
- John Galt
- JimmyGiro
June 2, 2014 at 9:04 am -
Our humanity is dynamic; yet we live in a society that uses ethically static laws that frustrate our nature, just to keep the lawmakers and their neurotic clientèle in positions of control; hence unchecked feminism is a tool to establish State totalitarianism via ‘positive feedback’.
Thus when Justice is so subverted, that it makes bad laws, the State becomes our enemy. In such a circumstance, it is not unreasonable for good libertarians to consider the aspect of the ‘temporary anarchist’, for the sake of future humanity, we can be individuals together. And in accord with desperate times, the stabilization of our society must be brought about through the ‘negative feedback’ of manly cussedness.
- Ho Hum
June 2, 2014 at 11:21 am -
Prohibitionism of almost all kinds benefits from its proponents convincing the plebiscite that there is some sort of static ethic that has, or is, being breached. Oddly, that’s totally the opposite of the Christian message which proclaims freedom from the tyranny of law, the freedom to do what you understand to be good, and the freedom of individual conscience and choice to be different on things on which no moral absolutes prevail, and the non persecution of those who differ from you.
Most Western prohibitions are the product of fanatical individuals’ attempts to change other people’s behaviour to match their ideals, by force, because it will be good for them, and that is sufficient justification for doing so. If you can conjure up a few ‘moral certainties’ from some source to help you in that, regardless of how out of context or wrongly applied they might be, great. The punters you want on side aren’t going to know that, are they?
- Ho Hum
June 2, 2014 at 11:23 am -
That started off as a reply to JimmyGiro. But the Apple, each day, sends the message away
- John Galt
June 2, 2014 at 9:09 pm -
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)
- Ho Hum
- Jonathan Mason
June 2, 2014 at 1:14 pm -
Good article. It is rare to see any woman writing about prostitution with any insight. It is true that the campaign against human trafficking is just a back door to attack the whole concept of payment for sex.
A lot of people get confused about this word “trafficking”. It does not mean the same thing as “transporting”, but something more like “pimping”, “pandering” or just illegally trading. I can see why it might be illegal to arrange air tickets for someone for purposes of the sex trade, as the person doing so most likely intends to profit financially from their kind acts. The danger with this is that in the UK system of legalized witch hunting tribunals knows as “crown” courts for sex related offenses, some innocent travel agent might get caught up in criminal charges.
Under pressure from the US government, the Dominican Republic has recently been conducting a crackdown on brothels, which seem to violate human trafficking laws. A popular night club and spa (OK, brothel) that had its own Web site advertising a menu of prices for one hour, overnight, one girl, two girls, etc. was shuttered. Part of the problem was that the employer was taking the money at the cashier and then paying out a percentage to the girls at the end of the week minus costs for their board, meals, sheets and towels, pay advances, and so on.
This method of doing business violated a number of aspects of the Dominican employment laws and the German owner and his Dominican wife or concubine were charged with human trafficking. I believe he is now out on bail.
This shocking video shows johns openly engaging in activities with “trafficked” prostitutes at the brothel including dancing in a suggesting manner and imbibing intoxicants (but not pornography). Do not click the link if you are easily shocked.
http://sosuarealestate.org/la-passion-in-sosua/
However prostitution remains quite legal in the DR as long as no third party is profiting from it and popular bars are thronged at night by single women looking for a tourist to spend an hour, a night, a week, or whatever which in exchange for some help with the grocery bill.
Since the law is broadly similar in the UK, this makes me wonder why a failing industry (“pubs” or public houses) does not rejuvenate itself by providing safe places where single women over 18 can meet men for paid encounters and have their legitimate ID checked at the door by a bouncer to ensure they are not trafficked. It would surely be good for sales of beer and crisps.
- Engineer
June 2, 2014 at 1:46 pm -
The last paragraph reminds me of the Northern pub with the sign, ‘Five pints and a woman for £20’ behind the bar. One slightly shy youngish lad approached the publican and asked, “Erm, about this five pints and a woman for twenty quid……could you just answer me a question?”
” ‘Course I could lad, ask away!” replies the smirking landlord.
” Erm – which brewery is the beer from?”
- Jonathan Mason
June 2, 2014 at 1:55 pm -
Interesting joke, the implication being that the British tend to be more interested in beer and football than in sex, which may be true. However on a more serious point it is also my observation that alcohol is often necessary for many people as a precursor to sex, because it helps to break down inhibitions, so the brewing industry and the sex for hire industry ought to be a perfect match for each other.
Also see my link to the video above. Since I don’t drink alcohol myself, or very rarely and in homeopathic quantities, what is truly shocking to me is how boring those drunks and their floozies are.
- Engineer
June 2, 2014 at 2:23 pm -
One thing that anybody having a background in drawing offices, construction sites and workshops will tell you is that the average bog-standard British male talks about sex far more than he actually engages in it, which perhaps suggests that we still have some way to go before the nation can really be said to be comfortable about sex and sexuality. They do engage in beer and football far more often, though; possibly because to do so they don’t need to take their clothes off.
- Engineer
- Jonathan Mason
- Lucozade
June 2, 2014 at 7:17 pm -
Jonathan Mason,
Re: “However prostitution remains quite legal in the DR as long as no third party is profiting from it and popular bars are thronged at night by single women looking for a tourist to spend an hour, a night, a week, or whatever which in exchange for some help with the grocery bill.
Since the law is broadly similar in the UK”
Is it…? :/
Re: “this makes me wonder why a failing industry (“pubs” or public houses) does not rejuvenate itself by providing safe places where single women over 18 can meet men for paid encounters and have their legitimate ID checked at the door by a bouncer to ensure they are not trafficked”
Would turning pubs into brothels really make most people more likely to want to pop in for a drink? Men getting pestered for custom and women getting mistaken for prostitutes…?
- Mudplugger
June 2, 2014 at 7:39 pm -
Replenishing the pubs with ashtrays would be more likely to get me back into them: a strumpet is no substitute for a good smoke.
- Jonathan Mason
June 2, 2014 at 8:20 pm -
Would turning pubs into brothels really make most people more likely to want to pop in for a drink? Men getting pestered for custom and women getting mistaken for prostitutes…?
Not all pubs, obviously, but don’t you have themed pubs where people go to see folk music performed, or bands playing, or various specialist activities that appeal to different demographics? And I am not suggesting turning pubs into brothels, just meeting places like discos and clubs
- Lucozade
June 2, 2014 at 8:40 pm -
Jonathan Mason,
Re: “Not all pubs, obviously, but don’t you have themed pubs where people go to see folk music performed, or bands playing, or various specialist activities that appeal to different demographics? And I am not suggesting turning pubs into brothels, just meeting places like discos and clubs”
I think I came across a ‘pub’ like that in Paris, ordinary women weren’t allowed in – actually i’m not sure if ‘women’ were allowed in at all or if the people in dresses I caught a glimpse of where actually men dressed up as ‘women’, lol…
- Lucozade
- Jonathan Mason
June 2, 2014 at 8:26 pm -
Isn’t that what President Clinton said to Monica Lewinski? To which she replied, “Ooh, I’m all out of breath, but I’ll have a puff.”
- Jonathan Mason
- Mudplugger
- Ho Hum
June 2, 2014 at 8:49 pm -
My recollections, which I will admit are a trifle hazy, are that the way in which the law was framed, merely pulling out a chair for a professional lady of the night to sit on might be just about sufficient to get you done for trafficking. The bouncer would almost certainly be boinged down to the local nick
- Engineer
- Engineer
June 2, 2014 at 2:11 pm -
The word ‘coercion’ does seem to be an important one in this context. If a woman (or man, come to that) freely chooses to exchange an intimate act for cash, and both sides agree the terms of the contract beforehand and both receive what they agreed, then has either party been wronged? One party most certainly has been wronged if they are coerced into an act without their consent.
Morality is often messy. In the days before easily used contraception, and the relative untreatability of sexually transmitted infections, one could see the point in fairly draconian moral attitudes towards sex. That’s not to say that hypocricy about it wasn’t rife, of course, but the intent of the moral message at least had some basis in saving people from harming themselves or others. Since the advent of contraception and better healthcare, the need for the moral message has diminished somewhat, though that does not absolve any human being from the obligation of decency to others.
I think we could all agree that the pimp forcing his drug-addicted ‘girlfriend’ to give services to men for money to support his lifestyle, or have her supplies of drugs withdrawn, is a morally vacuous scumbag for whom prison is too good, but is the prostitute taking money from punters whilst seeking to marry a particularly rich one with the intention of living off his wealth, and possibly at some future stage ensuring her financial future by divorcing him, behaving morally and decently?
As always, life is never clear cut.
- Jonathan Mason
June 2, 2014 at 2:43 pm -
Agree absolutely. It is not black and white any more, and a lot can come down to legal technicalities. There is no doubt that in the case of the night club I mentioned above the girls knew exactly what they were expected to do at the time they were recruited and that they believed, probably correctly, that they could work for a few weeks (or a menstrual cycle) and then go home with a wallet full of cash. (Usually they were from out of town.)
So sex for money is not really the issue. But under Dominican employment law you cannot hire women as bartenders, make them pay for a skimpy uniform and for their meals , and then fire them without separation benefits if they refuse to have sex with a significant number of customers. But it is very nuanced. A girl might be able to refuse to have sex with a man who smoked cigars if it made her sick, but if she was very attractive and popular the boss might still keep her on, but a girl who turned down too many customers and didn’t bring in enough cash would soon get the boot. Thus prosecutors were able to claim that barmaids were coerced into having sex with unattractive customers which was technically true even though the girls came into the job with the full intention of having sex with customers.
The normal get-out or convenient fiction in Dominican law as I understand it is that if a barmaid or waitress wants to leave an establishment with a customer, she will have to pay a “salida” or exit fee to the owner to compensate him for her absence from work. Which sounds reasonable until you consider that bar or restaurant owners may employ more barmaids and waitresses than they actually need, it being more profitable to let them leave work early than to use them to sell food or drink. Is this trafficking? It all depends on the small print.
The way the UK and Dominican laws both stand at the present time is that it legal to pay for sex, but it is not legal to have any kind of business that makes money by selling sex unless you are a sole proprietor providing sexual services yourself.
I agree that it is probably illegal for a drug addicted pimp to force his drug addicted girlfriend to sell sex to support his and her drug habits, but these kind of cases don’t seem to come to court all that often in reality due to the difficulty of getting evidence.
I think we would probably all agree that it would be undesirable to abolish all trafficking and pimping laws, otherwise we would have chains of extremely hygienic franchised Mcbrothels all over the place.
- Jonathan Mason
June 2, 2014 at 2:55 pm -
…is the prostitute taking money from punters whilst seeking to marry a particularly rich one with the intention of living off his wealth, and possibly at some future stage ensuring her financial future by divorcing him, behaving morally and decently?
I will have to refer you to Austen, Jane: Pride and Prejudice [London: 1813] for further discussion. In this fictionalized documentary a middle-aged married couple living in a small pond pimp their several attractive daughters around a series of balls where they meet single men with fortunes in want of wives and make various attempts toput a lock on their future wealth. Needless to say, size counts when it comes to country houses, landed estates, and so on, so it is no surprise that the most cunning daughter “hooks” the extremely well-endowed Mr. Darcy (a character I believe to be based on the Duke of Devonshire, the owner of Chatsworth House.)
Jane Austen knew her onions.
- Engineer
June 2, 2014 at 8:44 pm -
As I’m no expert on Ms Austen’s writings I may have this all wrong, but my understanding is that Elizabeth Bennett kept her knees locked virtuously together during dealings with suitors, and before the wedding to Mr Darcy. Now, for all I know, she might have been a right little goer post nuptials, but I don’t recall anybody mentioning her intent to divorce Darcy and skip off with half the loot. Don’t think the law allowed, then, anyway.
Whilst I see what you’re saying, I think my scenario is one peculiar to the modern era, and not one that crossed Ms Austen’s mind.
- Jonathan Mason
June 3, 2014 at 1:13 am -
Yes, well Ms. Austen was a product of her age and she evaded such questions as whether Mr. Darcy was a virgin on his marriage night. We come to read her now in the light of Darwin, Dawkins, Freud, and so on. When you reread Pride and Prejudice in the light of Darwin and particularly of Dawkins’ The Selfish Gene, a rather different picture appears.
Although Austen’s name conjures up thoughts of romance, in Austen’s time marriage was almost entirely about money. Her innovation was the idea of an attractive woman of no financial means using her genetic endowment to nab a rich guy who was also good looking and a decent person to boot instead of just getting a rich guy who was a creep, a situation Austen herself had dabbled with in her personal lifee and rejected.
Although Elizabeth Bennett did not have to put out sexually in the premarital phase, sexual attraction is obviously implied and penetration is deferrred. Elizabeth Bennett, her mother, and her sisters all stand to be impoverished on the death of her father due to the fact that the family estate is entailed to a male heir, and in fact one her sisters has already made a faux pas by copulating with a wastrel. By hooking Darcy, Elizabeth immediately obtains lifetime financial security for her kin and herself, and if she can just produce an heir and outlive Darcy, all will be hers and belong to her progeny and the heirs of her progeny for eternity. Divorce wasn’t necessary.
One has to be amused in Mansfield Park where Sir Thomas Bertram and his wastrel son Tom return from a spell on their Barbados plantation where after a busy morning of slave driving at the sugar refinery, they have no doubt whiled away the tropical afternoons drinking rum cocktails and enjoying the favours of dusky mulattas to Mansfield Park where Sir Thomas is SHOCKED to discover that his own children have been indulging in amateur dramatics. What a thing! Quelle horreur!
Yes, things were different in them days, but Austen laid a lot of the groundwork for modern thinking and to this very day the female search for a wealthy mate to benefit herself and her children is well disguised. No one would ever think that Kate Middleton, for example, was a scheming mistress of palace intrigue in the manner of Austen. Nah, she just married a geezer wot she met at uni.
- Moor Larkin
June 3, 2014 at 6:55 am -
Little did she know that she had married into a family who would eat her babies in a sickeningly satanic paedo-fest in order to sustain the traditions of their illegal German bloodline…. allegedly…….
- Lucozade
June 3, 2014 at 2:14 pm -
Jonathan Mason,
Re: “and to this very day the female search for a wealthy mate to benefit herself and her children is well disguised. No one would ever think that Kate Middleton, for example, was a scheming mistress of palace intrigue in the manner of Austen. Nah, she just married a geezer wot she met at uni”
So any woman that agrees to go out with prince William has to only be aftet his money? Poor men don’t get girlfriends do they?
- Jonathan Mason
June 3, 2014 at 2:39 pm -
Let me rephrase that. Do you think that an ordinary working guy who bears a striking physical resemblance to Prince William and has a pleasant personality will have his pick of as many equally attractive mates as the man who would be King?
Women who agreed to go out with PW prior to his marriage would have been interested in some kind of fame, notoriety, the chance to meet royalty, the chance to enjoy a celebrity lifestyle, the trappings of wealth, yes absolutely. Women who have sex with him now that he is married, if there are any, will be interested in getting paid to keep quiet.
- Jonathan Mason
- Moor Larkin
- Jonathan Mason
- Engineer
- Jonathan Mason
June 2, 2014 at 4:33 pm -
Anna:
A couple of years ago the UK introduced a new law that made it a “strict liability” offense for a man to pay a woman for sex if she had been “trafficked”. In other words he was guilty even if he didn’t know she was trafficked.
On the surface this sounds like a brilliant idea. Why not get tens of thousands of punters plus the management of escort agencies and massage parlours in the UK to police themselves and their own industry to be sure to avoid going to prison for ignorance?
How is that working out over there? I have not read of any prosecutions under this law even though I am a regular follower of the excellent UK Criminal Law blog.
- Don Cox
June 2, 2014 at 5:59 pm -
“otherwise we would have chains of extremely hygienic franchised Mcbrothels all over the place.”
And what would be wrong with that, if the demand is there ?
- Jonathan Mason
June 2, 2014 at 7:23 pm -
I am sure there would be demand, but corporate officers are tasked with the job of maximizing returns to shareholders, so to do this they would need to cut costs and grow the market.
This would probably translate into ripping off the women and advertising and promoting the business. Perhaps they could also form strategic partnerships, and we might see British Airways offering fly, drive, and shag packages to overseas visitors including visits to brothels located close to Windsor Castle and Stonehenge.
In the event of insufficient rosy-cheeked British maidens being willing to drop their fragrant drawers for dough, it might be necessary to recruit overseas. Actually this is what the brothels in places like Aruba, and Curacao (Dutch possessions in the Caribbean) do. They are full of Colombianas and Dominicanas working on short term visas, or so I have heard. (I have not been there.)
Anyhow, this will never happen where the Union Jack flies. The British people would never stand for it. At least not the female half of the population that benefits from holding the male half to ransom for sex in exchange for flowers and chocolates on Feb. 14th.
- Moor Larkin
June 2, 2014 at 7:30 pm -
you old Romantic you….
- Engineer
June 2, 2014 at 8:48 pm -
So THAT’S what Stonehenge was for….:-)
- Lucozade
June 2, 2014 at 8:51 pm -
Jonathan Mason,
Re: “At least not the female half of the population that benefits from holding the male half to ransom for sex in exchange for flowers and chocolates on Feb. 14th”
Nonsense, if that was the case they’d just become prostitutes themselves.
I’m sure a lot men would probably want to be able to go out with out being pestered to pay for sex though, lol…
- Moor Larkin
- Robert the Biker
June 3, 2014 at 7:24 am -
Surely all the McGirls in the McBrothel would have to be a standard size and weight?
I wonder what the toy in your HappyTart would look like?I’ll get my coat ….
- Ho Hum
June 3, 2014 at 7:35 am -
And lots of muffin with Barbicute sauce
I’ll race you to the coat stand…
- Jonathan Mason
June 3, 2014 at 2:48 pm -
I imagine the guest rooms would be of standard design with standard furnishings, lines, and bathroom facilities, mint and condom on the pillow, alarm buttons, etc. The body type of employees would surely depend on local supply and demand and perhaps some would command a premium. Regular coffee or latte?
- Robert the Biker
June 3, 2014 at 3:26 pm -
It would bring a whole new meaning to the question “Would you like that to be a large one?”
- Robert the Biker
- Ho Hum
- Jonathan Mason
- John Galt
June 2, 2014 at 9:37 pm -
Fundamentally the reasons the Germans legalisation of brothels in 2002 was threefold.
– Ensure the sexual health of the prostitutes and manage STD’s and especially HIV/AIDS
– Provide a safe and transparent work environment free of exploitation and coercion (pimping, getting sex workers hooked on drugs)
– Tax the profits of both brothels (Corporation Tax and VAT) and the workers (Income Tax and Social Insurance taxation)Since legalisation there have been increased concerns over “trafficking” – really just Eastern European prostitutes going where the money is and the operation of illegal cut-price brothels by the Turkish immigrant community.
Although there have been problems with legalisation (2006 World Cup, Trafficking by Eastern European Mafia, etc.) it would be an almost inconceivable reversal to adopt the “Swedish Model” as well as probably a violation of German Basic Law guaranteeing equal protection.
- Clarissa
June 2, 2014 at 10:19 pm -
If you don’t already, might I recommend Maggie McNeill’s blog “The Honest Courtesan”? Maggie is a former sex-work and now activist who has been poking holes in the ‘trafficking’ myth for several years.
http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/
- Major Bonkers
June 10, 2014 at 10:25 am -
There are two bitter ironies in this whole episode: firstly, that while Jackboots Jackie was getting all hot and flustered about male sexuality, her significant other, apparently deprived of his oats, was getting his ration by watching dubious television channels and charging them to the taxpayer.
The other horrible irony is that there was, in fact, significant racially-based child prostitution and human trafficking going on in places such as Rochdale, Rotherham, Derby, Oldham, Telford, Bradford, and Oxford. Associated offenses included rape, branding a child with a heated hairpin, prostituting children, false imprisonment, making child pornography (this from the Derby case), trafficking, group sex – of up to 15 – with a child, feeding a child drugs and alcohol, beating a child with hands, knives, a cleaver, and a baseball bat, threatening a child and her family, enforced back-street abortion (presumably the crime of infanticide), urinating over a child, and raping one with the handle of a baseball bat.
Nor was ‘the authorities’ unaware of this abuse; Nick Griffin of the BNP – of all people – drew public attention to it in 2001, and, for his pains, was put on trial for ‘inciting racial hatred’ in 2004. Evidence from the Oxford trial showed that Police and social workers were aware of the abuse since 2005, and one mother had complained to social services ‘hundreds of times’. In Rochdale, the girls were dismissed as having made ‘lifestyle choices’. Needless to say, we heard nothing from the NSPCC.
Here are two links to reports about a Channel 4 documentary, ‘Edge of the City’, broadcast in 2004, about grooming in Bradford by ‘scores’ of Asian men targeting white girls. One girl is 11 years-old, another has had 100 sexual partners.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1462413/Race-fears-halt-film-on-Asian-sex-grooming.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/3602854.stm
Perhaps most depressing of all is this clip from YouTube, which appears to me to be an interview on ‘Women’s Hour’ from the same year. The producer of the documentary begins by making clear that all the Bradford social workers dealing with young girls are aware of the issue and that the problem is extensive. She later contradicts herself by stating that the problem is more limited. The position of the other interviewee is that the programme has been sensationalised, the people involved are criminals, and this is only one part of their criminality – move along, nothing to see here. Both downplay the nature and extent of the problem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=V8Shznb4_eQ#!
Here’s a newspaper report from 2006, reporting on a BBC programme, concerning grooming:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-402481/Care-home-girl-abused-25-men-2-years.html
So we are left with the impression that, yes, there was, and probably still is, a serious problem; but that dealing with it would have – and would probably still – pose too many uncomfortable questions about Muslim exceptionalism – Mohammed marrying a 6 year old and having sex with her at the age of 9; and about the Courts accepting that Muslims don’t understand that having sex with 13 year olds is illegal (see: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2268395/Adil-Rashid-Paedophile-claimed-Muslim-upbringing-meant-didnt-know-illegal-sex-girl-13.html ). So instead we have this ludicrous displacement activity, deliberately closing eyes to what is obvious and making a great show of looking elsewhere.
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