Structural Linguistics, Statistics, and other Tongue-twisters.
I have been grappling with the latest meandering thoughts on how a Conservative government can best enlarge the state sector and provide employment for all those annoying lefties….
It is called the “Health Working Group Report on Child Sexual Exploitation“. It is an object lesson in moving the goal posts and enlarging empires. Ostensibly an entirely reasonable reaction to the scandals of Rochdale and Oxford Social Services ‘assuming’ that girls under their care were displaying life style choices when engaging in sexual contact with dark skinned foreigners. Men even.
It starts by detailing the modern definition of a ‘child’ as being a person under the age of 18 years. Then it moves the goal posts even further by declaring that ‘child’ sexual exploitation includes Barnardo’s definition of ‘peer exploitation’ – those embarrassing occasions when NO adults were present and you all stood in a circle behind the bike sheds engaging in mutual relief of teen-age hormones…..before arriving at the breathless conclusion that there must be two million paedophiles in our national population, or maybe its only 650,000 – either that or Operation Yewtree will be making wild allegations for many years to come. (It will be interesting to see which version the media plump for….)
Research by the National Society for Prevention of Cruelty against Children (NSPCC) put it in the range of 5 to 16 per cent of children under 16 years old. That is between 650,000 and 2 million children.
Despite quoting this authoritative statistics from an impeccable source (sic), in fairness, the report does then say:
“It is difficult to obtain a reliable estimate of the prevalence of child sexual abuse”. Or:
“We have some evidence and estimates of the prevalence of sexual abuse from NSPCC research and the CSEGG Inquiry has produced some sexual exploitation prevalence estimates. These estimates are not likely to be very accurate.”
That doesn’t stop them from coming up with a reliable estimate of the combined public sector forces that must be marshalled to combat this unquantified hazard stalking our population! What is of interest is that even the NSPCC quietly accept that:
“The average age of children experiencing sexual exploitation is 15 years old”.
Average eh? So some, by definition must be awfully close to the new guideline of 18? And some will be experiencing ‘peer exploitation’? The popular definition of a predatory paedophile being an elderly ‘Uncle’ with bad breath preying on the winsome five-year old of the NSPCC ads is taking some beating here.
It is one of the curious facts of the linguistic gymnastics engaged by the moral campaigners that stalk our shores, busily grooming us, that ‘children’ being innocents, are rarely divided by gender – other than being told that many, who grow up to be the classic – male – predatory abuser, do so because of childhood abuse, the so called ‘cycle of abuse’. Female sexual abusers are hidden from our prying eyes more successfully than Victorian piano legs.
(We shan’t mention the 83 women currently in prison for rape, gross indecency or other sexual offences with children). (A link worth following in your coffee break – full marks to Philip Davies for a robust retort to feminist waffle).
Yet:
Of the 2,409 children identified via the CSEGG Inquiry’s call for evidence, 72 per cent were girls and 9 per cent were boys, where gender was disclosed.
If abuse begets abuse, as we are told, logically we should be far more concerned about the 72% of girls. Except that they disappear in adulthood into that great heaving morass of victimhood, whilst the tiny percentage of male children abused develop bulging eyes and bad breath before gaining employment as a disc jockey.
The report tells us that classic indications of child sexual exploitation include: being on the missing list from care homes or schools and ‘dysfunctional parenting’. Yet time and again the report identifies the fact that ‘professionals’ (health, teaching and social services) are the ones that fail to understand the meaning of ‘consent’ to illegal sexual activity and fail to take action.
It makes you wonder why the NSPCC and other ‘child protection activists’ are so keen to promote the idea of bulging eyed paedophiles preying on young children, when the bulk of the problem appears to be state employees following their ideology regarding life style choices and ignoring the fact that 15 year old aren’t supposed to be engaging in illegal sexual activity.
To support appropriate local prioritisation, commissioning and local ‘health scrutiny’, health and wellbeing boards (HWBs) should ensure that the local joint strategic needs assessment (JSNA) and the joint health and wellbeing strategy (JHWS), reflect the impact of different forms of violence and abuse, including child sexual exploitation; the JSNA being informed by evidence from a range of local sources, including the local safeguarding children board and the community safety partnership.
The Department of Health, the Royal College of Nursing and other nursing professional bodies should promote the role of school nurses in recognising, addressing and coordinating the response to child sexual exploitation.
Public Health England should seek to tackle child sexual exploitation through Directors of Public Health and their central role in the local health and care system.
The NHS Safeguarding Leads at national, regional and local level should work to promote a better health response for victims of child sexual exploitation. This could include use of the annual assurance process.
The Care Quality Commission (CQC) and Ofsted inspections should scrutinise the health contribution to the local response to child sexual abuse and exploitation.
I see lots of new committees being formed to ‘share best practice’ – a host of meetings attended – but I see no evidence at all of social workers and other ‘care home’ workers being retrained to act like responsible parents, nor being given the powers to enable them to do so.
Their back ground ideology says that they should take into care the hormonally challenged 15 year old whose Father has just taken a strap to them for attempting to go out at midnight in a skirt half way up their waist – ‘cruel ignorant tyrant’; but then their ‘powers to restrain’ don’t allow them to do anything other than smile indulgently when she does the same thing in the care home.
Apparently they need to consult further to discover the full extent of the consequences of this and what to do about it…..
- Ian B
January 29, 2014 at 11:43 am -
The simple and fundamental problem here is the new dogma that 15 year olds and other post-pubescent teenagers are, in sexual terms, children. The rest of the insanity follows from that. If you accept that defiance of biological reality, you will inevitably led to some suite of insane conclusions. If you accept consequent broad definitions of sexual abuse as anything below the legal age, their figures are probably underestimates. The last British Sex Survey thing reported that over 30% of us lost our virginity below the legal age. Without disputing the foundations of the age of consent, any other argument is largely pointless; the problem being that the lurch back towards Victorian Social Purity- and indeed intensification in public policy- since the 1970s has been so immense that any such argument is about as welcome as a turd in a swimming pool.
But anyway, since the Proggies apparently wish to extend childhood to 25, we can only look forward to an epidemic of paedophilia of Biblical proportions.
- Johnny Monroe
January 29, 2014 at 6:04 pm -
It seems childhood has already been extended to 25 – just glance at the number of late-teen and twenty-something ‘kidults’ walking around in hats with animal ears on them, further infantalising the first generation whose helicopter parents never let them out of their sight because of the ‘paedos’ lurking around every corner, raising a breed of inept, socially-retarded idiots dependent on the Bank of Mum & Dad and incapable of coping with any facet of adult life that isn’t served-up on a plate for them like a readymade microwave meal. The future is among us!
- Ian B
January 29, 2014 at 6:14 pm -
Indeed. There are few sights in life more distressing than a (biologically) grown man in onesies.
- Ian B
- Ho Hum
February 4, 2014 at 9:56 am -
‘an epidemic of paedophilia of Biblical proportions’
That’s such a mixed metaphor, it just can’t go unchallenged
Whatever, I don’t think you’ll find the Bible is really unduly prissy, or unrealistic, about sex, regardless of what the Disciples of the Latter Day Modern Moral Prohibitionists, most of whom are decidedly unChristian, might have you believe, or want you to do, or not to do
- Johnny Monroe
- Jim McLean
January 29, 2014 at 12:01 pm -
The complete disregard for language by corrupting the definition of words and terms to mean whatever suits the political asgenda has been rife for years. We also have the paradox where indulgent parents cheerfully allow their children (5 year olds to 11 year olds – just to clarify!) to view and participate in activities such as social media, music videos, reality tv, and choice of clothing and behaviour which promotes girls and women as sexual objects. And yet any illegal activity with someone between 15 and 18 year old is not classed as such but sensationally portrayed as paedophilia. This means that we do not appropriately punish the real offence or deter future transgressions. We simply enjoy the show of parading people through the courts at a waste of taxpayer money and police time.
However, even worse than the actual crimes that are committed, it is the corruption of our language and our ability to reason and make judgements which will have longer lasting damage to us all.
- Henry
March 31, 2014 at 7:52 am -
“The complete disregard for language by corrupting the definition of words and terms to mean whatever suits the political agenda has been rife for years”
That’s 100% correct and also applies to several other terms:
“racism” – actually quite hard to define. But politicians like language to be vague. At one stage we started talking about “institutional racism”. Racism also cam to include any mention of any differences whatsoever between groups of people – so any physiological or psychological research that differentiated between people by background or colour was by definition racist.
But we’re still not done with racism. When Diane Abbott started saying unpleasant things about white people, some people were bold enough not to like the idea of non-white people being called racist (whatever they said or did). So racism had to become something to do with whites “being part of a group that has power”. Apparently no black person ever has any power, so cannot be racist under the new definition. Job done.
Racism was too powerful a word to leave alone. More people wanted to use it, not realising that it was nonsensical to extend the word’s meaning to do so. It’s not a new political trick
- Henry
- JimmyGiro
January 29, 2014 at 12:50 pm -
Splendid summary Anna.
- Frankie
January 29, 2014 at 9:15 pm -
Seconded…
Even allowing for the fact that the young persons who were, seeming, innocents, used by gangs of predatory men (who all just happened to be Muslims, it seems – just to whack the resident population over the head once more and isolate them even further) for the purposes of sexual gratification, trafficked between other groups of men of a similar persuasion one is required to believe that the ‘victims’ had no self worth at all, were completely ignorant of what was happening to them was exploitation.
I just cannot buy into the argument that these girls were:
a. Not fully aware, or even slightly aware of what was going on and
b. Did not realise that what was going on was not, on any scale, normal amd
c. Not in the least bit sexually aware.None of what has occurred is in any way edifying but it just cannot be that those who were exploited did not contribute, even by inaction to what was going on.
We really missed you on ‘tinternet Anna.
- Margaret Jervis
January 29, 2014 at 9:33 pm -
@Frankie – see below and open http://www.saff.ukhq.co.uk/asiangangs.htm
- Margaret Jervis
- Frankie
- Margaret Jervis
January 29, 2014 at 1:10 pm -
After the children Act in 1989 and the children’s homes ‘scandals’ adults – parents, professionals felt powerless to discipline and control wayward kids. Wayward teens were demanding to be taken into care wherever responsible parents’ tried to intervene – knowing that it gave them and their peers free rein to do whatever they liked., despite parental objection. Remember article in the Mail on Sunday on this around 2000.
Care workers and foster carers are often demonised – but in reality they are the people who know the kids best – but are powerless as with parents – they live with the constant knowledge that an ‘allegation’ is only one confrontation away.
it’s the army of field social workers etc – the people who populate the ‘committees’ who wreak the havoc .
Now there is a new stereotype created said to be very ‘complex’ but if you follow timelines and the buck….(compo) it’s fairly straightforward.
this article was written in 2011 but still relevant. http://www.saff.ukhq.co.uk/asiangangs.htm
- Margaret Jervis
January 29, 2014 at 1:58 pm -
Just pondering the opening sentence
‘I have been grappling with the latest meandering thoughts on how a Conservative government can best enlarge the state sector and provide employment for all those annoying lefties….’It was precisely this that created the bandwagon in the first place in the 80s. Social services were in the control of local authorities – primarily labour run with an alternate power base established – which eventually became the mainstay of the Labour gov. Thatcher had big targets in sight – primarily to do with the economy – so the money splashed around through social services and social security was a sop. The Government first drew its breath when Cleveland erupted in 1987 -8 – but in point of fact this didn’t really change anything because the flaws weren’t acted on – rather it magnified the errors through the monolithic ‘working together’ of the like-minded who still can’t see what staring them inthe face through their ‘complex’ ideological blinkers . And now this muddled web has grown to encompass the CPS and the courts are not immune.
- Ian B
January 29, 2014 at 2:11 pm -
Margaret-
I don’t think there’s anything muddled about this, and I don’t think the State really created the bandwagon, though they have been enablers and gain benefit in terms of justification for an expanded State from it. It seems to me that the solitary inescapable reason for it all is the (Radical, if you want to be specific) Feminist movement, who latched onto paedophilia via Satanic Ritual Abuse as a means to reimpose their Victorian era sexual dogmas; who were themselves a reactionary revival triggered by the sexual revolution. They were able to use already existing networks in social work, etc, as a means to that end.
- Margaret Jervis
January 29, 2014 at 2:55 pm -
There was an interplay between the child protection psych and the rad fems at an early stage. The rad fems moved from the all sex with med is rape’ thesis to ‘and rape their children ‘ (both being a function of property and mechanism of control) in the late 70s early 80s. The child abuse industry , previously interested in ‘battered baby syndrome’ and maternal ‘rejection’ moved into child sex abuse around the same time.
The two camps – feeding off each other – hated each other – though the psychs were constantly mollifying the rad fems. Social work became the power base of the rad fem minded with input from the psychs – which ‘legitimised’ it. SRA was an extension through the methodolgical flaws of the the sex abuse mania with added narrative input from evangilicals courtesy of Hollywood horror movies..
Many of the professionals who weren’t rad fems were christian evangelicals. …the lesbian feminists hated the evangelicals but they all came together in the witchhunts.- Ian B
January 29, 2014 at 6:11 pm -
Also, the “and rape their children” derives from the logical conclusion of “all sex is rape” to the assumption that men force women into marriage in order to impose sexual slavery upon them; thus the breeding of children is to produce more rape victims. Inevitably, the nuclear family becomes characterised as a rape machine, child rape within it is the norm rather than the exception, and that all tied up very nicely with the Evangelicals’ fantasies of “breeders” for Satanic Rituals, etc, which really took off with Michelle Remembers.
- Margaret Jervis
January 29, 2014 at 6:21 pm -
The evangelical’s ‘demonic nature of man’ became mirrored in the feminist ‘demonic nature of men’.
- Ian B
January 29, 2014 at 6:32 pm -
I had a fun time some time ago on a Guardian “comment is not really very free at all” thread when Ms. Beatrix Campbell OBE was actually in attendance, posting polite comments referring to Shieldfield. They were lasting about a minute before deletion.
- Ian B
- Ho Hum
February 4, 2014 at 10:08 am -
‘Ian B January 29, 2014 at 6:32 pm
I had a fun time some time ago on a Guardian “comment is not really very free at all” thread when Ms. Beatrix Campbell OBE was actually in attendance, posting polite comments referring to Shieldfield. They were lasting about a minute before deletion.’Might have been the same one, but I added a comment which was founded on a section directly lifted from one of the Guardian’s older articles – which was then still online, can’t find it now, but I’ve probably saved a copy somewhere for posterity – and they deleted that too. The irony of their deleting themselves was delicious…
- Margaret Jervis
- Ian B
- Margaret Jervis
- Moor Larkin
January 29, 2014 at 4:13 pm -
If it’s all “feminists” though, why is that it seems mostly to be men who are getting especially and publicly evangelical about this whole thing…. Spindler, Williams-Thomas, Meirion Jones, the BBC, ACPO, NSPCC, NAPAC etc. It seems to me that women talk about women being treated as if they were sexual objects, but the men are mostly obsessed about the females having any sex at all, until properly authorised.
It is also the case that all the famous allegations about organised sex rings have been about men and boys and most if not all the big payouts in compo have been to me.
If the Savile Caper represents anything it is the girls asking, “what about us”?
- Moor Larkin
January 29, 2014 at 4:14 pm -
Me?
Men….
- Moor Larkin
January 29, 2014 at 4:22 pm -
and I forget Kier Starmer………… kingpin of the current legal process
- Eyes Wide Shut
January 29, 2014 at 9:03 pm -
The Savile Caper represnets many things, and most of them are too vaporous to bear any serious analysis at all. We are looking away when the things that will truly destroy us are bearing down on our heads.
I guarantee you: by 2024, no one will give two hoots about this ridiculous media-generated panic, and no, I do realise that the media at this point in time in Britain can create real and shocking consequences in our legal, educational and penal systems. Not denying that at all.
Just saying: it won’t stand. We’ll have some problems round our necks in 10 years that will make all this seem exactly what it is_ the last throw of the dice in a society.
- Margaret Jervis
January 29, 2014 at 9:35 pm -
..and all so avoidable!
- Margaret Jervis
- Eyes Wide Shut
- Moor Larkin
- Moor Larkin
- Ed P
January 29, 2014 at 5:22 pm -
The NSPCC is listed as a fake charity – just another pressure group supported by the government to promote the government’s line. So their stats and agenda are not independent.
- Ian B
January 29, 2014 at 6:04 pm -
Moor Larkin-
The way I see it, and I think is how it was/is, is that the Feminists were the driving force and binding agent, like the egg in a cake, that were able to bind together a range of actors- evangelicals, conspiracy theorists, therapists, crusading DAs and police, etc- by providing a justifying/explanatory theoretical ideology, organisation and networking and, crucially, credibility on the “Left”/progressives. It’s a big, complex story (which we are still living through, rather than looking back on) which will in the fullness of time require an authoritative and comprehensive history to be written. We need one now really; the story is still largely fragmentary and we’re all holding different parts of the elephant.
- Margaret Jervis
January 29, 2014 at 6:19 pm -
It’s a hydra- stub out one tentacle and two others emerge. What commentators don’t realise – from both the right and the left – is that it’s the same monster under a different guise.
Take Cleveland – parents wrongly accused …..a few years later parents were lynchmobbing innocent defendnats in court in Newcastle and marching through the streets under the ‘Believe the Children banner’ . The children’s homes hype was the same – ‘it’s not parents or pagans and satanic abuse – it’s the social workers (actually teachers and residential home workers – different kettle of fish’)
This provides an outline of how it got going..
http://www.factuk.org/resources/the-road-to-shieldfield-and-beyond/
- Ian B
January 29, 2014 at 6:33 pm -
“is that it’s the same monster under a different guise.”
Just to clarify, do you mean, SRA and the current panic? Yes, I agree.
- Margaret Jervis
January 29, 2014 at 6:56 pm -
..and others.
- Margaret Jervis
- Duncan Disorderly
January 29, 2014 at 7:41 pm -
“It’s a hydra- stub out one tentacle and two others emerge…”
Just yesterday, there was a posting on the fine 1boringoldman (a retired psychiatrist) blog explaining the role of American psychiatrists in the Panic:
http://1boringoldman.com/index.php/2014/01/28/43440/The links are well worth reading.
- Margaret Jervis
January 29, 2014 at 8:29 pm -
Who is this guy? Taken him a while. Do hate this term ‘moral panic’ as cause rather than it being the effect of a crusade – led by the ‘elite’ professionals etc(though in tune with ideologues and fantasists)
It didn’t ‘disappear’ either – just adapted to circumstance and carried on as before –
An excellent forgotten primer on this is the collection of essays The Satanism Scare – see especially the chapter by Sherrill Mulhern
http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/The_Satanism_Scare.html?id=MY7sQuT0MnMC&redir_esc=y
- Ian B
January 29, 2014 at 9:03 pm -
For me, the bigger problem is that most people, including the author above, think “it’s all over”, rather than recognising that it mutated into the “Paedo Panic” and is still rolling on in a generalised and increasingly globalised form. The interesting thing being that they have achieved the remarkable success of maintianing the level of horror and revulsion originally stimulated by stories of grotesque, horrific (and imaginary) experiences by infants, applied to possibly touching a 17 year old’s bottom 40 years ago. That’s quite an achievement for the crusaders.
- Geoff
January 29, 2014 at 9:20 pm -
For any UK academics reading this and wanting to follow up on (eg) Mulhern, there was a wonderful After Dark discussion on the Rochdale story broadcast on Channel 4 on 9 February 1991, with guests including (yes) Bea Campbell, (the Christian) Andy Croall, Her Honour Jean Graham Hall and (perhaps her only lengthy Uk tv appearance) Sherrill Mulhern, as well as others.
This programme – one of several important After Dark discussions on child abuse – can be viewed and downloaded via http://www.bfi.org.uk/inview (but sadly access is restricted to Uk academics)
More about After Dark can be found on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_Dark_(TV_series)
- Ian B
- Margaret Jervis
- Ian B
- Moor Larkin
January 29, 2014 at 10:07 pm -
re. Feminists Binding Agent
So long as you clarify that all the “feminists” with power seem to be men, I can only shrug and say, “Maybe”. I don’t really see any women with real power being involved in any of this. There are the various head-doctors wheeled out for effect but all the legal and prosecutorial decisions seem to be being taken by men, and all the panic stuff in the media driven by men too. Name me one outspoken female in the Savile furore, other than the one’s who say, “I met him and he was creepy”? The only policy-driver I can think of is Barbara Hewson and she’s saying it’s most likely a pile of codswallop.
- Margaret Jervis
- Margaret Jervis
January 29, 2014 at 9:38 pm -
Thanks@geoff they were drinkin’ an’ smoking. But more truth there than you’ll ever find on a ‘transparent’ media bench.
Very important link.
- Moor Larkin
January 29, 2014 at 10:19 pm -
Good old needleblog…….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13oYJ5V0VOM- Margaret Jervis
January 29, 2014 at 11:42 pm -
Don’t understand – as soon as Bill Thompson came on it switched to overhead shots!
- Moor Larkin
January 30, 2014 at 12:34 am -
As I recall that was when they used to go into advert breaks when you watched live, or there was provision thereof. It normalises again. The American woman is hugely impressive.
- Moor Larkin
- Margaret Jervis
- Moor Larkin
- Leg-iron
January 29, 2014 at 10:37 pm -
If they want to declare anyone under 18 a child (can’t drink, can’t smoke, can’t watch porn, can’t even lok at their own bits in a mirror without being sent for counselling, can’t be allowed to watch videos on self-examination for testicular cancer even though the risk starts at 15, etc) then how do they justify letting children join the armed services? I believe they can still join before their 17th birthday?
- carol42
January 30, 2014 at 1:21 am -
Growing up in the early 60s I would have been horrified to be considered a child at 16, some of my friends even married at that age and we were, in many ways, far less knowledgeable than today’s ‘children’ in other ways we were more mature, at least we were largely left alone to grow up in peace.
- Ian B
January 30, 2014 at 11:45 am -
It seems to me there’s been a massive reversal over the past few decades. When I was a lad, everyone, adult and child, thought growing up was a good thing. Kids wanted to be grown up; adults would say, “you’re a young man now” and “what a big girl you are” and be worried if they were still doing childish things when they should be putting childish things away. Nowadays it seems everyone wants people to stay as children for as long as possible, including young people themselves who cling on to childhood as “kidults”. I find it all quite disturbing.
- Chris
January 30, 2014 at 1:43 pm -
It’s a strange retarded form of ‘not growing up’ though – fecklessness as opposed to any ‘innocence’.
About 13 years ago I read ‘The Fountainhead’, and that confirmed to me I should follow the path of being ‘true to myself’. That realisation focused my mind away from the competitive idiocy that peppers most peoples lives. The 40-year old me has stayed to the ‘me’ I was as a child, a teenager and a young adult. I believe I was born into and grew up in a time of great culture and awareness, but – paradoxically – I find this ‘staying true to myself’ has toughened my outlook up and made me quite cynical – ironic when considering I was not so hardened or cynical as a child, or even as young man.
Whereas the post-1988 ‘kidults’ are all-Amercan superheroes, shopping with their offspring in matching onesies & ‘Superman’ outfits, devoid of the sense that came – naturally – to me as a child. When I was 10, or 14, or 17, or 21 I would have been aghast at the thought of my peers behaving like they do now.
This video, from one of the most cynical – and honest – 40-somethings still broadcasting it all – kind of says it all http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KIoOopWquI- Ian B
January 30, 2014 at 3:01 pm -
I’ve been thinking a lot about this sort of thing recently. The difference I think between Liberalism (in the libertarianish sense) and Progressivism (the new default value set) is that liberalism is predicated on the assumption that people are by default competent, whereas Progressivism assumes they are by default incompetent. Liberals only reluctantly assign incompetence to others, and in the case of children for instance are eager for them to grow up and attain competence and thus independence; to do so is an “achievement” and if you like a sign of successful parenting. Progressives always presume people are incompetent, unless there is proof otherwise, which besides all else there is the new mania for accreditation for everything. You can’t just be a hairdresser, you need a credential to prove you have attained competence, otherwise you are assumed not to be.
The interesting thing for me, and I started realising this some time ago, is that Proggies consider themselves incompetent in most areas of life- except something they have a diploma in- so expect some hegemonic authority- i.e. the State- to advise them and control them in all the other aspects. This makes them genuinely terrified of that control network being taken away and leaving them wandering around with their ducks in the wind, among all the other equally incompetent and terrifying citizens. The consequent infantilisation from this seems to me to be inevitable, as well as the belief, for instance, that if they do fuck up it’s actually the fault of that control network for failing to prevent them from making the error. And, they thus see liberals- who assert their own competence- as dangerous loose cannons, while revelling in their own subjection to the system as wisely recognising their own limitations (incompetence), which is somewhat paradoxical (“I am competent to know I am incompetent”) but then sense is not their strong point.
The problem is, there is probably a positive feedback loop occurring. One of the most popular “actually…” facts doing the Proggie rounds is “proof” that the human brain does not mature until 25. Ergo, everyone below 25 is a child. This is a complete misinterpretation. The brain remains plastic until that late, so that it is beyond when you have started living an adult life by a considerable margin, so that the brain can adapt and specialise to doing those adult things, be they hunting and gathering, breeding and raising a family, etc etc. So if you’re not living as an adult by then, the brain is never going to really adapt to doing so; it’ll remain specialised to childhood rather than having the structures of adulthood. With ever more people hanging on as elderly children in the childish, paternalist/maternalist higher education environment, long past the age that once they would have been working, marrying etc, we end up with ever more people permanently frozen in their teenage.
(This I think probably also applies to sexual development; if you leave it too late to start, again the “matured” brain has not developed a proper suite of responses, which might explain the massive outbreak of sexual dysfunction- particularly among women- in the Victorian ruling class. This may well apply to the matronly cohort around Frances Willard and Jane Addams, etc).
It’s worth remembering that until recently, working class children had to grow up very fast. Taking girls, for instance, they would have to be able to deputise for their mothers- cooking on a dangerous range, looking after younger siblings- at an age now where you get them taken into care if you accidentally let them use pointy scissors.
No wonder we’ve ended up with people in their 20s walking around in Superman onesies. It’s an almost inevitable consequence.
- Ian B
- Chris
- Lucozade
February 3, 2014 at 11:44 pm -
carol42,
Re: “Growing up in the early 60s I would have been horrified to be considered a child at 16, some of my friends even married at that age and we were, in many ways, far less knowledgeable than today’s ‘children’ in other ways we were more mature, at least we were largely left alone to grow up in peace.”
If I ever heard anyone refer to me as a ‘child’ after the age of 12 it wouldn’t have bothered me in the slightest i’d just have assumed they were saying it in jest, which on the very rare occasion anyone did they usually were. I think when you get older you start looking at teenagers etc as just ‘kids’, but that wouldn’t have been the way you thought of yourself when you were that age. Being young and having a lot to learn and being a child are two different things imo…
- Ian B
- Johnny Monroe
January 30, 2014 at 2:42 pm -
Though this is veering off the subject slightly, I have to say it annoys me no end that the evangelical PC brigade (surely the secular successors to Longford, Muggeridge and Whitehouse) have hijacked the word ‘feminism’ so that its original meaning has been utterly trashed. They have nothing whatsoever in common with Mary Wollstonecraft, Caroline Norton, Josephine Butler, Millicent Fawcett, the Pankhursts or even the young firebrand Germaine Greer, all of whom had a valid cause and weren’t desperately rooting around in search of one to vindicate something so ludicrous that it has to be hidden behind a label that is already misconstrued by many to begin with. The ‘right-on’ apostles whose aim in life is to be perpetually offended and to channel all their energies into demanding something be banned or organising online petitions to have someone removed from their job simply because they aired an opinion in public they found contrary to their beliefs to me are no different from the over-zealous branch of Islam that gives other Muslims a bad name. But, alas, they are becoming a powerful lobbying group. I just wish they could come up with their own label and not abuse one that once meant something more than viewing the past through the prism of the present.
- Ian B
January 30, 2014 at 3:21 pm -
The 2nd Wave (particularly Radical) Feminist movement is a direct ideological continuation of the 1st Wave, though primarily the American one; its values are the same ones, though to various degrees updated. Jane Addams or Emmeline Pankhurst would have been entirely at home at a modern meeting of the Fawcett Society, Feminista or Object, except for the modern absence of ludicrous hats.
- Moor Larkin
January 30, 2014 at 5:39 pm -
Not to mention the ludicrous absence of a vote – a very overrated activity by today’s populist standards anyway.
- Ian B
January 30, 2014 at 6:16 pm -
Bear in mind that Pankhurst’s WSPU left the Labour Party in protest at it adopting a policy of the universal franchise. They wanted votes for upper middle class women like themselves- in order to satisfy their policy objectives- but not for lower class women, or men. Including those working class men they were shaming into the WWI trenches with their white feather campaign.
- Johnny Monroe
January 30, 2014 at 8:15 pm -
Sylvia was the most radical of the Pankhursts, doing her best to encourage working-class women into the movement, whereas her mother was very much under the spell of Christabel, who buggered off to Paris as soon as the heat was on the Suffragettes and never came back home till it was all over, directing events in exile whilst those left behind were being force-fed in prison. When WWI broke out, all militancy ceased and the WSPU threw in their lot with the war effort. My point about the tenuous connection between the first wave and what is called feminism today is the absence of traditional Christian values in 2014, as in having compassion for one’s fellow man (and woman) and seeking to improve the lot of the unfortunate; at its heart, late Victorian/Edwardian feminism was in part motivated by the same missionary zeal as the great social reformers of the era, whereas today the motivation appears to be self-interest and a desire to impose a stict code of conduct on everyone that benefits no one.
- Johnny Monroe
- Ian B
- Moor Larkin
- Ian B
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