Liberal Syllogisms.
Not to put too fine a point on it – if you are size of a Beluga whale, and you unavoidably, without sexual intent, ‘violate the personal space’ of every man, woman, dog and child in the same room as you – do you have a responsibility to apologise for this? Perhaps your employer has a responsibility to provide larger rooms for you to lumber round in?
At what point do you have the right to stop creeping around apologising for existing? When you have been cleared by an official inquiry into the crime of heaving your blubber ‘with salacious intent’ too close to a yoga practising female vegan?
I ask, needless to say, because along with the rest of the country, I am transfixed by the spectacle of Nick Clegg caught between his humourless female activists and every right minded male in his party. Does he want to be kicked out of his seat because his male supporters decamped en masse to UKIP, or kicked out of his bed by the equally humourless Miriam? Apparently he has a third choice – bankrupting the party paying legal bills to humourless lawyers. ‘Tis a wonderful thing, ‘choice’. Hours of innocent fun can be had deciding which way to jump.
The root of the problem is the ‘Savilisation’ of ‘credible allegations’. A nation has been groomed to believe that the allegations against Savile have been proven, therefore, runs the syllogism, allegations are as good as facts. Nay, they are ‘facts’. No surprise to find Chris Davies out on the airwaves saying that Lord Rennard ‘was no Jimmy Savile’. Indeed he isn’t – the allegations against Rennard had been investigated, he had been given the chance to put his side of the story, and lo! it was found that they couldn’t be proven to the criminal standard of ‘beyond reasonable doubt’.
Thus we have the spectacle of the BBC interviewing one of the grinning, gurning, said humourless ‘victims’ wailing on the seven o’clock news that since these were ‘credible allegations’, Lord Rennard should be forced to apologise. The fact that they were unproven allegations was scarcely mentioned. The important point was that they were ‘credible’ – thus an apology was called for. Why, hadn’t the victims even offered to forgo any compensation if an apology was forthcoming? No more generous an offer could be made than a victim offering to forgo compensation for a sexual harassment which had just been proven not to have occurred in the eyes of the law….
Truth is becoming not so much a statement of proven facts as ‘what you happen to believe’ – and if ‘your’ truth is not upheld by a court or an inquiry; then you have not received ‘justice’ (pace Duggan et al). It is not just the Jeremy Kyle generation sitting on their sofas that adhere to this new definition of truth, but some surprising opinion formers.
Just the other day I chanced upon an interview in The Times with Tom Winsor, Chief Inspector of Constabulary, expounding his own ‘truth’. He is of the opinion that murders, so called ‘honour killings’, are being committed in some areas of Britain that are never reported to our national police force. He does not explain, nor offer evidence, as to how these bodies are being disposed of, nor how the perpetrators are punished (buried up to their necks in sand and pelted with stones?) in fact the only snippet he offers us is that ‘in some communities’, those ‘born under other skies’, he knows that these murders are bing committed and perpetrators dealt with simply because they ‘never call the police’. I suppose when you live with a diet of statistics that tells you 98% of women have been raped by the age of six months, and 75% of people will be murdered before the age of four and a half, then it is a simple leap of logic or syllogism to assume that if a community doesn’t call you out to deal with their 44,822 share of the murder statistics, it must mean they are quietly dealing with the situation themselves.
I once lived in a quiet Herefordshire village that awoke one day to find a Lottery grant application in place to house the 78 homeless children in the village. We searched our outbuildings, we searched our doorways, all children were present and correct with no stray extras – we were of course, victims of extrapolated statistics – according to Shelter, given our population we should have had 78 homeless children, therefore were obviously in need of a homeless shelter….
What chance does your average yoga practising, vegan, Liberal-Democrat female activist have of understanding the true meaning of truth and justice, when the Chief Inspector of Constabulary indulges in such fantasies?
Anybody want to predict whether Clegg will stand up to Miriam – or boost the membership of UKIP?
- FrankH
January 21, 2014 at 11:27 am -
Hi Anna
I’ve been checking your web address regularly since you “disappeared”, first every day then every couple of days and lately about once a week so I’ve just noticed you’re back. And it’s such a joy to see you back.
Small point of order, you say: “just been proven not to have occurred” don’t you mean “just not been proven to have occurred”?
Get well soon. I missed you.
- Amfortas
January 21, 2014 at 2:20 pm -
Ditto squared on the welcome relief.
I was preparing to post a notice in my own Tavern about the Raccoon Arms’ lack of a light in the windows. I was fearing the worst after all of last years scares. I am So Pleased to see you back.
- Amfortas
- Duncan Disorderly
January 21, 2014 at 11:41 am -
“Does he want to be kicked out of his seat because his male supporters decamped en masse to UKIP, or kicked out of his bed by the equally humourless Miriam? Apparently he has a third choice – bankrupting the party paying legal bills to humourless lawyers. ‘Tis a wonderful thing, ‘choice’. Hours of innocent fun can be had deciding which way to jump.”
I hope he opts for the third choice. In fact, who doesn’t?
- Mudplugger
January 21, 2014 at 11:58 am -
Clegg may or may not stand up to Miriam, but history suggests he won’t ever stand up to scrutiny.
If only the Lib-Dems had elected that ever-so-regular Mr Huhne as leader……
- JimS
January 21, 2014 at 11:58 am -
My LibDem MP wrote to tell me that his party does not tolerate intolerance.
I think that just about sums up the depth of LibDem thinking.P.S. Welcome back!
- Fat Steve
January 21, 2014 at 11:59 am -
As someone rather clever than myself recently remarked ‘The only fact nowadays is feeling’
Pace yourself a bit Anna with your blogging output for your own good whilst you aren’t feeling so hot - Chris
January 21, 2014 at 12:13 pm -
I understand they still show the ‘Carry On’ films on British TV. Surely these should now be banned, be reclassified as ‘extreme pornography’ (depicting heinous abuse that causes untold trauma)?
- Duncan Disorderly
January 21, 2014 at 7:28 pm -
Anybody caught with the REAL category 5 filth – old episodes of Benny Hill – should be sent to die in jail.
- Duncan Disorderly
- David
January 21, 2014 at 12:50 pm -
Perhaps the most striking aspect of l’affaire Rennard is the dearth of new me-too accusers.
- right-writes
January 21, 2014 at 12:54 pm -
Perhaps the bottom has dropped out of LibDimmery David?
- right-writes
- right-writes
January 21, 2014 at 12:52 pm -
What a vision… Brilliant Anna.
We are no longer living in a “civilised” country, the nation has been “savilised”.
I blame the fact that very few of us make anything, we are living in a land where everybody is employed checking up on each other. These “communitarian types” manufacture work at the expense of the ever diminishing productive sector. They have to, otherwise they would not be able to justify, not just their position, but the position of the people that they
needwant to hire in order to lessen their own burden..And so on, until the only money is printed money. Our system of government is a ponzi scheme.
- JimmyGiro
January 21, 2014 at 2:05 pm -
Anna, your point of ‘credibility’ trumping proof, is well made.
It is akin to the climate politics, in that the State (the racketeering organism) has generated a new ‘public science’ trope of “scientific consensus”, as opposed to the traditional objective scientific integrity, as judged by non-partisan scientists.
My conclusion is that it is all part of the same State move towards totalitarianism. The State cannot control integrity; but it can control, via the State media and its licensed adjuncts, the peoples ‘opinions’ through the ‘authoritative’ voice of State backed ‘credibility’ of the big lie. Think of the experiments of Asch and Milgram:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asch_conformity_experiments
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
These two experiments are sufficient to gauge the methods of our ‘caring’ State, as it “nudges” us carefully, for our own safety, into the new dark age of feudalism MkII. - johnd2008
January 21, 2014 at 2:52 pm -
If he did commit these awful crimes, why did these adult women not turn on him and slap his face? Even allowing for the muesli munching vegan life style I would have thought they were capable of sorting out a pathetic male.
- rdc
January 21, 2014 at 2:57 pm -
Well I only hope that Cluggy doesn’t get his car serviced at Halfords…..
A current advert ……
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zyANSlqpw8
I can see a claim for sexual assault in the offering…..
- JuliaM
January 21, 2014 at 3:43 pm -
“…allegations are as good as facts. Nay, they are ‘facts’. “
Actually, I’ve lost count of the times I’ve been told, by earnest interlocutors on blogs and Twitter, that allegations are evidence…
- CKN
January 21, 2014 at 4:07 pm -
Very glad to see you back! I know a sound ex legal services professional who firmly believed honour killings were occurring with disturbing frequency, but that proving it was very difficult. I was surprised as she is not a flake. This was a couple of years ago. Tom Winsor knows what’s going on.
As for “grope gate” it’s the gift that keeps on giving……! - Moor Larkin
January 21, 2014 at 4:10 pm -
Perhaps Nick is worried that if he does not toe the party line, he will be next to face uncontested, untested evidence.
That was the pattern set by Operation Yewtree. - GildasTheMonk
January 21, 2014 at 5:10 pm -
LibDems – the gift that keeps on giving
- Ed Butt
January 21, 2014 at 6:31 pm -
Welcome back.
I must admit I have been having some distinctly unsympathetic fun as fatty Rennard’s expense, but I agree with you totally on Savilisation. If we are to pretend to be a society which respects justice the thirty year old offences several celebs are now in court over should never have gone to trial. There can’t be any reliable evidence today that someone put his hand up a girl’s skirt at a top of the pops recording in the 1970s.
As for the Rennard case, no sympathy for the Lib Dem sellouts, they have pandered to extremists and now, predictably, the extremists in their own ranks have turned on them. Rennard deserved a slap on the face from the women he groped and a slap on the wrist from the party, nothing more. Having said that, a front line politician these days knows the score, if he cared about his party he would have resigned “to focus on clearing his name” as soon as the scandal was reinvigorated.- sally stevens
January 22, 2014 at 2:27 am -
Hear, hear!
- sally stevens
- Jim McLean
January 21, 2014 at 8:49 pm -
It is a GOOD DAY. We have Cranmer, we have Guido and now at last we have Anna back. The most common-sense, balanced and reasoned analysis of what is going on. If we didn’t get the message after Saville, we are being offered another chance at salvaging our language, our ability to reason and discriminate and to reflect on how much of our responsibility to make informed judgements we have abdicated to the media and politicians.
- Ian B
January 21, 2014 at 9:58 pm -
Unfortunately, in a Progressive environment, words cease to mean what you thought they meant, and mean something new. Traditionally, “justice” meant a system of truth seeking predicated on the idea that that which is not proven is treated as an acquittal; a system developed on the understanding that humans are fallible, they tell stories, they lie, they make mistakes, and that thus a robust sceptical system is essential in the search for truth; the scientific method is predicated on the same assumptions. It’s not enough for you to believe you have split the atom. Can you demonstrate it to everyone else? If not, you haven’t split the atom, sorry.
Progressive “justice” means something else; it means the accuser getting what they feel they deserve in terms of retribution, as a way of “balancing”. It is worth noting that this is not limited to Proggies; over the past few decades nominal “conservatives” have been equally shirll in demanding “justice for victims” instead of justice as a robust epistemology. And thus, here we are. We have regressed (at least in those areas of behaviour with successful pressure groups) to the mob justice of primitive tribes, in which the truth is merely the story the mob most want to believe; the very summary justice we were once so proud to have eradicated in our civilised, advanced societies.
- Mudplugger
January 22, 2014 at 8:56 am -
And, of course, ‘justice’ is increasingly becoming translated into ‘compensation’, aided and abetted by those ever-so-helpful no-win-no-fee lawyers.
One wonders what would happen if there was a ‘statute of compensation limitation’ – for example, a historic ‘crime’ could be reported at any distance of time, but any financial compensation would only be available for those reported within, say, one year of the alleged offence. After all, if you can’t be arsed to report it within a year, it can’t have been so traumatic. Wonder how many of the current ‘celebrity victims’ would be crawling out of the long-forgotten woodwork then ?
- Mudplugger
- Lucozade
January 23, 2014 at 10:10 am -
“I suppose when you live with a diet of statistics that tells you 98% of women have been raped by the age of six months, and 75% of people will be murdered before the age of four and a half, then it is a simple leap of logic or syllogism to assume that if a community doesn’t call you out to deal with their 44,822 share of the murder statistics, it must mean they are quietly dealing with the situation themselves.
I once lived in a quiet Herefordshire village that awoke one day to find a Lottery grant application in place to house the 78 homeless children in the village. We searched our outbuildings, we searched our doorways, all children were present and correct with no stray extras – we were of course, victims of extrapolated statistics – according to Shelter, given our population we should have had 78 homeless children, therefore were obviously in need of a homeless shelter….”
Lol….
- SpectrumIsGreen
January 23, 2014 at 2:24 pm -
Interesting how Mike Hancock can find himself also suspended for sexual misconduct by the Lib Dems despite being found as having no case to answer by the Police and CPS, simply because a lawyer finds his accuser’s claims credible.
- Moor Larkin
January 23, 2014 at 2:27 pm -
With a name like that he never had a chance.
- Moor Larkin
- Lilia Donovan
January 23, 2014 at 7:25 pm -
3. Were those examining the allegations too close to Rennard? He was a highly-respected figure essential to the party’s by-election success. The Mail alleges today that one of the members of staff who responded to those ‘indirect and non-specific concerns’ was Alison Suttie, who apparently referred to herself as Lord Rennard’s ‘niece’. Clegg says Danny Alexander spoke to Rennard about his conduct, but were any efforts made to take formal complaints or to probe further the rumours that were circulating? If not, the Lib Dems are suffering from the same curious lack of curiosity found in other institutions sitting on a scandal. Was it the case that the leadership didn’t believe the allegations, whether they would be proven true or not, were just not very serious?
- abrupt
January 29, 2014 at 10:13 am -
It does not pay to dwell too long on where the bodies are.
Enjoyed that kebab did you, or was it the curry.
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