The British Broadcasting Corporation â a Monument to Paedophilia.

In 1932, the British Broadcasting Corporation, pride of the British people, commissioned the architect Lieutenant Colonel G. Val Myer, to design a building as their corporate headquarters which would embody the spirit of the organisation as they pushed their version of British values across the airwaves to a world still coloured pink on the map of âthe Empireâ.
The building was designed to look like a great ocean liner sailing across the airwaves. Today it is strangely reminiscent of the ill fated Titanic.
In the âbowâ of the building, Lord Reith commissioned a sculptor to carve out of stone the figures of Prospero and Ariel from Shakespeareâs The Tempest. So far so good.
Sadly, the sculptor he chose was none other than Eric Gill, a man who confessed in his own diaries to being a prolific paedophile; who had an incestuous relationship with his sister, his dog and his own young daughtersâ¦
Lord Reith could not have known this at the time â but he was alarmed when he saw the statue. Indeed, the BBC press office were kind enough to tell me that the matter of the size of Arielâs penis caused such concern that not only were âyoung maidens said to blushâ on passing the statue, but the sitting MP for St Pancras at that time, tabled a question in parliament claiming that the statue was âobjectionable to public morals and decencyâ. They are unfortunately not able to confirm that Lord Reith ordered Gill to take a chisel to his masterpiece and âcircumciseâ itâ¦a rumour that has been oft repeated.
Prospero, for those who have never read The Tempest, was the man who famously put to sea in the ârotten carcassâ of a boat. Tâwas only the applause of âan audienceâ which could free him.
So there we have it, for students of hindsight. Lord Reith managed to chose a paedophile sculptor to embody the image of the BBC as a floundering creature in a rotten carcass searching for the applause of the audience whilst clasping a child with oversized genitals.
You couldnât make it up.
Can I respectfully suggest to Lord MacAlpine, that he takes the £185,000 of tax payers money he has been awarded by the BBC for not actually being named in a broadcast by an outside unit under the auspices of an acting editor, reporting to an acting head of broadcast, under the watchful eye of an acting Director-General, and commission a new statue to represent the BBC.
Perhaps the figure carved in stone of the last remaining acting broadcaster speaking to the nation from the underground bomb-proof shelter they had built back in 1942? Iâm told it is still there, probably packed full of acting headâs of something or other.
*Earlier posts on the subject of the BBC, paedophilia, and Jimmy Savile.
https://www.annaraccoon.com/annas-personal-stuff/past-lives-and-present-misgivings-part-one/
https://www.annaraccoon.com/annas-personal-stuff/past-lives-and-present-misgivings-part-two/
https://www.annaraccoon.com/annas-personal-stuff/past-lives-and-present-misgivings-part-three/
https://www.annaraccoon.com/annas-personal-stuff/past-lives-and-present-misgivings-part-four/
https://www.annaraccoon.com/annas-personal-stuff/past-lives-and-present-misgivings-part-five/
https://www.annaraccoon.com/annas-personal-stuff/past-lives-and-present-misgivings-part-six/
https://www.annaraccoon.com/annas-personal-stuff/past-lives-and-present-misgivings-part-seven/
https://www.annaraccoon.com/annas-personal-stuff/news-shite-and-the-perfect-storm/
https://www.annaraccoon.com/annas-personal-stuff/the-bureau-for-instigative-churnalism/
November 18, 2012 at 12:32
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Reply to Bugger (the Panda)
âAs for âunreliable witness,â another old useful slur. If you had been
buggered as a child, on a regular basis, I donât think that is in dispute, if
anyone did have major psychological I would be more than surprised.â
I think your grammar is mangled here, but I think Messham was an adolescent
when this happened. In legal terms a child is anyone under the age of 18, but
that is not the way the word âchildâ is used in normal usage.
If being regularly buggered as an adolescent caused major psychological
problems that make a person unable to give true witness statements, then a
large number of Old Etonians would probably fall under this heading. The fact
is that Messham WAS involved in a libel trial involving a police officer and
his testimony did not hold up. He named 49 men at the Waterhouse tribunal and
made allegations of all kinds of other kinds of nonsexual abuse, none of which
was substantiated by anyone else or by corroborating evidence. The finding
that he was an âunreliable witnessâ was really a euphemism for saying that he
was a chronic liar and that his evidence could never stand up in court under
cross examination. This was the reason that the names of many of the accused
were sealed by the Waterhouse tribunalâthat they came solely from Messham and
that there were no secondary witness statements to support his claims.
This is not to say that there wasnât buggery at the North Wales care home,
just that there was never enough sustainable evidence to bring Messhamâs
elaborate claims to courtâa situation that could have easily been discovered
by the Newsnight team if they had done a thorough job of checking out
Messhamâs credibility.
November 18,
2012 at 09:08
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Details of the St John ambulance paedophiles and their paedophile
protection network which stretches all the way to London, are here:
http://www.stjohnnz.com/
November 17, 2012 at 19:07
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I wouldnât know, not living in the UK these days â in fact not for about 45
years. When exactly were Americans closing in ⦠we didnât hear about that
here? Obviously donât watch British TV â presume you mean the BBC, so all that
hot air was completely wasted on me. I wouldnât pay any sort of money to one
station though, too much monopoly. But expressions like âselfish filthâ ainât
going to win you any fans, my friends. Oh, and what Engineer said.
November 17, 2012 at 17:23
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Oh blimey â tinfoil hat alert!
November 17, 2012 at 18:19
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Are you denying that Blair didnât put a 100 year D-notice on Operation
ORE because Scotland Yard and the Americans were closing in on members of
his cabinet? People like you are the reason there is so much misery in the
world today. You are ignorant and suffer from cognitive dissonance. But,
even more worrying, is the fact you want to remain ignorant. A stereotype
T.V. watcher, completely gormless, exactly how the Rothschild owned
paedophile BBC like them, totally stupified.
November 17, 2012 at 19:20
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Tina â not quite clear which comment youâre ranting against? And â are
you referring to yourself as a stereotype tv watcher, completely gormless
etc., etc. (disturbingly self-effacing)? Your whole comment seems somewhat
out of context.
November 18, 2012 at 15:19
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Hmm. A rich seam of ass-hattery to mine here.
1. Op ORE was an utter shitting disaster. The reason it all went quiet
in the press is because people realised that Steve Nelson and Micheal Meed
were lying toe-rags (see Duncan Campbellâs âSex, Lies and the Missing
Videotapeâ). Now, Iâm fairly sure that a few paedos got away with it. But
then far more people had already their lives completely ruined for,
frankly, buying access to adult porn and then having their credit cards
used by scumbag web masters.
2. âD Noticeâ? You mean âDA Noticesâ, donât you? Right â these donât,
generally, have an expiry date and have (sssh in the back, stop
sniggering) absolutely no legal force what so ever. Do you really expect
that if Paul Dacre had got wind that one of the zaNu-Liebour cretins was
being investigated (and the bloody DA Notice would have told him if
nothing else did) he would have kept his rent-a-gobs on leash? You may be
deluded but you donât need to a play an idiot on the internet.
3. The Yanks did no investigating of any UK IP addresses. These were
passed, in bulk, to the NHTCU and then parcelled out to the relevant local
forces.
4. Which branch of the Rothschild family do you think owns the BBC?
âCause, you know, the BBC Trust? You might just want to read the BBC
Charter (2006 is the latest version.)
November 17, 2012 at 16:58
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A great deal of selfish filth on here who are more concerned with monetary
concerns rather than the misery and death these vile paedoâs have inflicted on
small children. It is a tremendous asset for the Zionist, Labour Government of
Britain to be able to use D-Notices and gag orders, to stop investigations
into the parliamentary ranks who are complicit in child rape. But, as long as
there are the same said brainwashed filth who are only concerned with the
âT.V. Licenceâ and the financial ramifications, these paedophile rings will
persist like a canker ion our midst. It almost beggars belief that there is
anyone so immoral, that they are still willing to court and pay for a licence
from the paedophile scum at the BBC. How low can some so-called âhumansâ
stoop?
November 17, 2012 at 18:23
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Hurst â what we really need to be able to get vile child-abusers behind
bars is hard evidence. So far, there seems to be very little of it about.
The internet, and good solid investigative journalism has itâs part to play;
but we all know that there is plenty of rubbish on the internet too â
scurrilous rumour, conspiracy theories and general unfounded gossip. The
sort of internet rubbish that accuses innocent people of vile crimes does
not help one bit in bringing the genuinely guilty to justice, and what is
more, it probably wastes a great deal of Police time in following up âleadsâ
that turn out to be unfounded or just plain vexatious.
I know Iâm wasting pixels typing this, but someone has to state the
obvious.
November 17, 2012 at 23:23
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+1. Blimey!! We get rid of one nutter and another couple pop up!!
November 17, 2012 at 13:46
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I seem to have come a bit late to this particular blog fight re Measham,
McAlpine and Newsnight & BBC.
I believe that there are some facts which are facts but do not seem to be
known to many.
The actual investigation work for the Newsnightâs piece was outsourced by
them the The Bureau of Investigative Journalism. I am not sure whether initial
idea was in-house or presented to Newsnight by the TBIJ
http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/
The responsibility for the verification of the named individual was that of
the BBC and I believe that they pulled his name for the transmission as
insisted by the BBC Legal Dept. It appears that neither the BBC or TBIJ had
asked Measham if it was the named individual or, had shown him a photo of him
from the time of the abuse or even an up to date one. The BBC did not contact
McAlpine to ask for his comments and thus give him a chance to refute the
allegations. Pretty much secondary school journalism stuff.
The tweet that possibly started the wild goose chase on the blogosphere
emanated from an individual in teh TBIJ before Newsnight ran the story. This
has been accepted by the TBIJ and their Editor in Chief has resigned.
http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2012/11/15/statement-from-the-bureaus-trustees/
Continuing with the named individual, there are any number or people
carrying that particular surname but not so many within striking distance of
that care home and only one who was known to visit it in his Rolls Royce.
I cannot find the reference, but is is from a blogger with a penchant for
standing by his posts and he stated that the original inquiry into the abuse
allegations stated that Meesham (correct spelling now) had not identified the
named Lord but another member of his family. So how come the target changed
during the TBIJ / Newsnight exposé.
It seems very convenient that the whole media feeding frenzy has been
deflected onto the bloggosphere and any number of piss awful âjournalistsâ are
squeaking that the Bloggoshere needs to uphold the same standards of integrity
and and conformity to the Law that the MSM have to. It seems that irony, or is
it hypocrisy are alive and well in this endangered news sector.
Sorry if some of my points have been covered in earlier post but I arrived
late and havenât the stamina to read the entire thread.
B (tP)
November 17, 2012 at 19:23
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Bugger (the Panda) said: âI cannot find the reference, but is is from a
blogger with a penchant for standing by his posts and he stated that the
original inquiry into the abuse allegations stated that Meesham (correct
spelling now) had not identified the named Lord but another member of his
family. So how come the target changed during the TBIJ / Newsnight
exposé.â
Assuming Messham is the witness referred to as Leon here:
â And who was [Mr B]? For the first time in his long saga, Leon became
reticent. He had been threatened and burgled and had had his car attacked,
he said. He would give no more â except for this manâs surname. Which
happened to match that of one of Mrs Thatcherâs most prominent
supporters.â
Later adding: âSince Mr B has been identified only by surname, it is not
clear whether the witnesses are referring to Mrs Thatcherâs colleague.
Leonâs evidence suggests that they are not â he said that he thought Mr B
was dead, whereas Mrs Thatcherâs supporter is still alive and
prominent.â
And if âLeonâ isnât Messham then he could be the second person referred
to to mention a name â that time positively identifying the man in a
statement to the police but then not identifying the man at the
tribunal:
âHowever, the Guardian has established that another survivor of abuse
gave a long statement to police on September 9 1993 in which he provided a
thoroughly detailed account of being sexually assaulted by a wealthy man. At
that time, he positively identified this man by name and photograph as Mrs
Thatcherâs former advisor and recorded in his statement how a friend had
told him âYouâre going to bring down the governmentâ. However, when this
witness came to the tribunal he declared that he was unable to identify the
man.â
November 17, 2012 at 21:22
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Just hang on a minute, when it came down to it (in court) the victim
DIDNâT identify the perpetrator as anyone in the public eye? So what is
the point of your post? More mudslinging? Because if you throw
enoughâ¦..?????
Lord McAlpine WAS NOT involved in anything untoward in Wrexham. That is
abundantly clear. What saddens me most, aside from the fact this poor chap
was subject to trial by Internet, is that Iâve spoken to several
âsensibleâ people who have been left with the impression that there may
still be something dubious about this man. This is utterly unfair. That is
why he is right to sue every person who named him online. I hope this is a
watershed moment, this has happened (libel) to a lesser degree to many
people in online forums/networks. I hope one of Lord McAlpineâs many
positive legacys is that his decisive action here teaches all the
irresponsible twitterers/ facebookers/ forum users, that they cannot
defame people with impunity, accusing them of horrendous crimes, unless
they have the proof to back it up. Or expect to be sued.
November 17, 2012 at 21:33
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Ah, The Fragrant Lord McAlpine
Cop this
http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?3641-An-Open-Letter-to-Lord-Alistair-McAlpine
and this
http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/lord-mcalpine-shock-new-question-from-australia/
November 18, 2012 at 02:18
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Anna-Marie,
Perhaps it isnât clear enough. Bugger (the Panda) had commented that
they had read a blog post by someone they find credible which said Lord
McAlpine wasnât named at the tribunal. My post with a link to a report
about the tribunal written at the time it was taking place, and the
quotes I have highlighted from it, is in support of that.
Of the two victims to be connected to this issue â âLeonâ and the
second one â neither named Lord McAlpine at the tribunal. âLeonâ only
said a surname and thought his abuser was dead (so could not have been
Lord McAlpine). The second one *is reported to have named someone
connected to Thatcher* in a statement to the Police some years earlier
but changed their story at the tribunal. Whatever motive Davies had for
including that comment to me that witness sounds unreliable.
November 18, 2012 at 10:34
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@ Bugger (the Panda) and Alan,
Your points are abundantly clear. As are your motives. I have read
the links providedâ¦in short more aspersions about Lord McAlpine, none
of which stand up to any kind of scrutiny or indeed mean anything.
Lord McAlpine doesnât need to be purer than the driven snow to have
the right to sue for libel. I have no reason to believe heâs anything
other than a decent chap with normal human strengths and weaknesses.
What is so difficult for people to understand?
Lord McAlpine is not implicated in the goings on at the N Wales
childrenâs home.
Lord McAlpineâs cousin was implicated but the witnesses were deemed
unreliable (appropriately it seems), therefore no further action was
taken.
Lord McAlpine is not responsible for anything his cousin did or
didnât do. His cousin was never tried for these crimes so he should be
afforded the presumption of innocence that we all enjoy.
Lord McAlister was horribly defamed. He is perfectly entitled to
address that legally and frankly what he does with any monies received
is nobody elseâs business.
The real issues that arise here are;
The myriad of difficulties involved in maintaining the emotional
and physical safety of âlooked after childrenâ
The huge potential for injustice for victims of abuse when they
come forward due to the standards of evidence required (although I see
no way around this)
The huge potential for injustice faced by the wrongfully accused.
The dangers of irresponsible journalism and irresponsible Internet
use.
November 18, 2012 at
11:46
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\Anne-Marie
This reply is actually to Anne-Marie below but this blog does me
allow to reply to reply to replies.
Let us take your last post starting with an assertion that my
assertions are abundant clear. That is an empty slur and no more than
that. You know nothing of me as I of you and should not saw you do.
I never said ever, that Lord McAlpine was implicated in the
goings-on at the N Wales childrenâs home. Please re-read my posts
before drawing conclusions and then leading smoothly into making
innuendoâs about my motives.
He was not and never was named by the BBC and they did not release
his name to the Twitter and other social media. Again please re-read
what I have written.
If the BBC did not name him and only said that his name was now
bouncing around the blogosphere, that is not a a defamation. The
people who did that was the TBIJ and the editor of that on-line
journal has resigned.
Do you honestly believe that Lord McAlpine, and other members of
his family, did not know anything about a member of the family,
shareholder and officer of one of the family construction businesses?
That, as far as it goes, does not constitute any crime but for him to
say that it was not him, and he has been libeled as has his family
businesses is a bit rich. The BBC by caving in tout de suite together
with McAlpineâs solicitor menacing the social media commentators of
legal action and demanding they contact him to settle is great wee
manoeuvre to shut the whole thing down, when it needs ramped up to get
the real truth aired. The BBC has been neutered and the inky fingersâ
press is salivating at having a club to beat the web press over the
head; so dire are their circulation figures.
As for âunreliable witness,â another old useful slur. If you had
been buggered as a child, on a regular basis, I donât think that is in
dispute, if anyone did have major psychological I would be more than
surprised.
One last point regarding the BBCâs cave in and pay out. There were
many comments on the blogosphere naming Lord McAlpine some years ago
and one or two books were printed naming him. He did nothing so was
that or was that not a tacit admission of culpability or could it be
used in defence later in response to subsequent and similar
accusations?
I believe several bloggers are sitting and waiting with impatience
for a writ to be issued against them for what the BBC deemed worthy of
paying out from our TV taxes.
This is not going to fade away, I think.
November 18, 2012 at 19:58
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Why thank you Ms Raccoon
@ Bugger (the panda)
Iâm not sure how my clarifying that you and Alan had made
yourselves abundantly clear could constitute a slurâ¦.
This I think will be my last comment on the matter, because I have
the strong impression that your mind is made up, and sadly closed,
resulting in your preoccupation with the reluctant Red Herring, Lord
McAlpine.
Your postings are contradictory. While you state categorically that
you do not believe Lord McAlpine was involved in paedophilia, you go
on to bemoan his complaints of damage to his reputation on the grounds
that âhe must have knownâ his cousin had previously been implicated,
although not by a credible witness. Do you really not see the lack of
logic in your complaint? My grandfather was tried and convicted of
treason in the 1950s, quite correctly I might add. By your logic
someone can now accuse me or my mother of treason with impunity
because my grandfather has already blackened the family name?
Nonsense.
As far as previous accusations against Lord Mcalpine? Do you really
not see the difference between being named by a small scale magazine
(now defunct) or a book by someone whoâs website constantly accuses
politicians of all parties, celebrities and the Royal Family of being
reptilian aliens, and an episode of Newsnight on the BBC broadcast
with much fanfare? Which event made headlines? Which event led to Lord
Mcalpine having the press outside his door? Perhaps that answers your
question about why Lord McAlpine was compelled to speak out this
time?
As for the term âunreliable witnessâ being âconvenientâ and a way
to silence the abused due to the psychological damage caused by tha
abuse; this is unhelpful and emotive. The fact is in this country it
is required that individuals are not convicted of a crime unless a
jury are sure âbeyond a reasonable doubtâ that they are guilty. I for
one do not want to change this. Mr Messhamâs evidence WAS unreliable.
I do not doubt that he suffered abuse and I am dismayed by this. But
my dismay does not change the fact that his story was found to be
contradictory and changeable. Therefore it would be a miscarriage of
justice were someone to be convicted of any crime on his word alone.
When and if corroboration exists that evidence can and should be
considered on its merits.
Has Mr Messham been abused? Has he been let down by the system that
was meant to protect him? I donât doubt it.
Should we lower the standards of evidence for criminal conviction
in order to ammeliorate my own dismay? or to satisfy public lust for
retribution? No.
November 17, 2012 at 04:55
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âChildren in Needâ on BBC TV (Fri 16 Nov) was the annual opportunity for
the population of UK to SHOW that they âThink of the Kiddiesâ
And the
âstarsâ who appear receive a lot of coverage in MSM. SO â what was the âDaily
Mailâ headline this Saturday morning?
âChildren are vulnerable, and news in
recent weeks has been an awful reminderâ: Wogan refers to Jimmy Savile scandal
on Children in Need⦠but FAILS to name shamed starâ
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2234191/Children-Need-2012-Sir-Terry-Wogan-refers-Jimmy-Savile-scandal–fails-presenter.html
November 17, 2012 at 02:08
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âHe could have been hung by his meat and two veg?â
I lived in the South
(USA) for about 4 years, and a âmeat and threeâ is the same standard. Btw,
macaroni cheese is a veg by their standard.
November 16, 2012 at 20:37
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Whatever Eric Gillâs sexuality depravities were, he did leave us the Gill
fonts and I was just looking at some of his copper and wood engravings â
theyâre quite exquisite!
November 17, 2012 at 02:08
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Hitler left us the Volkswagen.
November 17, 2012 at 04:50
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âHitler left us the Volkswagen.â
No, that legacy belongs to Ferdinand Porscheâ¦
November 17, 2012 at
10:57
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No â that legacy belongs rightly to Hans Ledwinka.
November 17, 2012 at 15:38
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It belongs to Hitler, at least as to design and specs. Of course,
he didnât manufacture the car, simply commissioned it. Hereâs the
explanation and his drawing of the car. http://raisingstar5.blogspot.com/2011/05/volkswagen-and-hitler-untold-story.html
November 16, 2012 at 14:49
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Licence payers pay 185,000 pound fine.
If that means the BBC canât make another episode of âStrictly Come
Dancingâ, then I shall consider it, money well spent!
November 16, 2012 at 15:28
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Lord McAlpine did say that he would not demand excessive damages from the
BBC precisely because he was conscious that Licence Fee payers would be the
ones paying. Perhaps if he had pressed a little further, we might have been
spared Newsnight, Strictly, Eastenders and Radio 1.
November 16, 2012 at 15:33
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It would be nice if he donated it to âChildren in Needâ.
November 16, 2012 at
17:07
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So that Stonewall can get some and â¦. I wouldnât give the steam off
my coffee to The Terry Wogan Ego Show. (Edited to read âcoffeeâ).
November 16, 2012 at 18:34
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âI wouldnât give the steam off my coffee to The Terry Wogan Ego
Show.â
I thought I was the only one who really hated Wogan, step up to the
bar and let me buy you a drinkâ¦
November 16, 2012 at 20:08
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I too could never understand why he was so celebrated. I mean, you
find him everywhere. You turn your back for a second and up he pops
AGAIN, just when you thought heâd taken retirement!
A bit like the Last of the Summer Wine. Just why does the Beeb keep
this particular programme going?
November 16, 2012 at 12:20
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Good to know that you keep track of the stats. I donât dislike you but I
donât believe every word you say.
In the good old days your blog used to link to many others and so it was
easy to read and then link. Now you have no such links so Iâm not here so
often. You know, Iâve seen you flounce off several times, vowing never to
return, youâve handed over the blog to others and then come back and pushed
them out of the way. Youâre obviously completely addicted to this blogging
stuff and thatâs fine but donât expect slavish devotion because your stories
are not always plausible even though Iâm sure they are based on truth, as you
see it anyway.
You have admitted yourself that you had a good education. That is not
inconsistent with a difficult childhood. You were not self taught. That is
almost impossible and also doesnât tally with what you have previously
admitted.
Your latest thing seems to be denigrating the BBC, because of some rubbish
about Jimmy Savile that may or may not have happened in a particular school a
long time ago. You seem to think itâs important, and warrants a series of
posts where the readers await the next instalment with baited breath. Youâre a
good writer but Iâm certain there was a lot of artistic licence in those
accounts.
I am sorry if you are ill. I hope you make a full recovery. But really, you
should reinstate your blog list and explain just exactly what you have done
with the guy who took over this spot for all of five minutes, never to be
heard of again. And next time you threaten to go you should probably mean it.
Or better still donât do it again. Because for all those who welcome you back
there are others who do not understand what is going on or who you have
trampled on.
November 16, 2012 at 12:25
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Excuse an illiterate prat speaking up again, Jim, but who the fuck are
you to tell someone what to do with their own blog? Go mow your own
lawn.
November 16, 2012 at 12:27
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I concur. I think that how yous spells it.
November 16, 2012 at
12:42
November 16, 2012 at 13:07
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@ denigrating the BBC, because of some rubbish about Jimmy Savile that
may or may not have happened in a particular school a long time ago. You
seem to think itâs important @
I have lived in the UK all my life and this whole Savile farrago has left
me questioning the nation I live within. I have passed through Thatcherism
and Blairism and a few wars along both those pathways, but this hate-filled
Un-Reason that has been allowed to take hold of the country just now is
deeply disturbing. I think the BBC has been seriously dysfunctional and itâs
behaviour borders on the insane. Because the British have always believed it
to be some home to balance and sanity, itâs plunge into the whirling waters
of shape-shifting Ickeian monsters is dragging the national mindset with
it.
The Police in this country are now arresting disc-jockeys on the basis
that they may have groped a grown woman forty years ago. We have the BBC
paying out £200k to McAlpine, while the book written by Icke in 1998,
carrying that libel in print, remains unchallenged and is waved from the
internet like a red flag at a mad bull. This is the level our legal system
and public opinion has been reduced to â impotent rage and incipient
madness. This IS important, and the BBC lies deep at the heart of the whole
darkness.
November 16, 2012 at
13:16
November 16, 2012 at 13:35
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âThe Police in this country are now arresting disc-jockeys on the
basis that they may have groped a grown woman forty years ago. â
Spot on! And they clearly feel that thatâs what is expected of
them. So will the new commissioners sort it out?
No. They canât.
November 16, 2012 at 13:54
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âI have lived in the UK all my life and this whole Savile farrago has
left me questioning the nation I live within.â
I left England in 1980, and the country I once knew has become quite
unrecognisable to me. The last time I visited was 10 years ago for my
motherâs funeral and I have no plans to return again ever, even to
visit.
I suppose the âarrestâ of someone like Dave Lee Travis may really be an
attempt to use the threat of confinement and prosecution to see if they
can extract some evidence of some more substantial misconduct (like
pedophilia) on the part of others out of him, but on the face of it, it
seems quite absurd. Maybe the police are just going through the motions to
placate one element of public opinion. I understand the police are now
bound to investigate all complaints received, no matter how bizarre, even
about insulting language used by footballers or referees during matches. I
am just waiting for Australian cricketers to be arrested for âsledgingâ
twenty years ago.
Itâs interesting that over the decades the BBC and independent TV in
the UK have made numerous TV series featuring police detectives of various
kinds, but I donât know if they have ever dealt with this kind of subject
matter. It certainly never came up on Dixon of Dock Green.
November 16, 2012 at 14:20
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It is clearly âunrecognisableâ precisely because you left 32 years
ago, and havenât visited for ten years. I left the town of my birth at
17½, have spent 28½ years elsewhere, and rarely return. When I do, I
find much of it changed to the point of bits of it being unrecognisable,
but thatâs as much a result of me not actually being there to witness
the passage of time there, as the passage of time itself.
At teh time, Dixon of Dock Green certainly dealt with issues
that people would now be convinced that it didnât.
November 16, 2012 at
16:43
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It is unrecognizable in the sense that it is hard to imagine that
in 1980 the police would have arrested a man for jiggling a womanâs
breasts in 1939.
November 16, 2012 at 20:13
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I think Granada tvâs brilliant Prime Suspect series included âthis
kind of subject matterâ â Mirren at her best! Prime Suspect (Helen
Mirren â Complete) series available in a 14.64Gb download on kat dot ph
if your country of residence isnât anal and you can download from said
site. Excellent series, not to be confused with the US version which did
not work.
November 16, 2012 at 21:14
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We living here maybe donât notice how changed it is. It has a much
more educated ( well at least degree holding, so thats moot )
population. A much more cynical population. A much wealthier population,
and a much more ethnically diverse population. But despite our grumbles
it is still a quite good place to live. We donât get all those bloody
strikes we got in my youth. I never knew any kid at my school whoâd been
on an airplane. We have a long life expectancy. Few people live in damp
overcrowded housing. Sure there are problems, but our government isnât
shooting at us â yet.
Its not all that bad.
November 17, 2012 at 01:11
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I visited England 15 years ago after a long time away. I was
delighted to visit again all the beautiful places , the villages, the
Cathedrals, the Tudor and Roman bits and pieced-togethers, and I went to
see my relatives in my old home town â Coventry. Clearly what the
Luftwaffe started, the Coventry City Council finished. I was happy to
get back to my new home but still retain the fond memories of the
heritage.
November 16, 2012 at 14:24
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I do wonder how many of the arrests made so far will result in charges
being brought to court. I suspect that the police are investigating
thoroughly, but not finding much real crime. Maybe weâll end up with a
couple of token charges of groupie-groping to justify the expense and
expenditure of police time, and avoid the embarrassment of having to say
that they found no real case to answer against anybody.
November 16, 2012 at 15:47
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Yes, it may well end up like Operation Pentameterâa few people
convicted, but no findings of forced human trafficking into the UK on a
massive scale. Even now, with so many claims that Savile is one of the
greatest pedophiles ever known, as far as I know there is no allegation
known to the public that he had intercourse with any girl under
16âthough something may turn up eventually.
November 16, 2012 at 16:59
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Ah, but in the 80â²s Gene hunt was the face of the police, so probably
he would have been equally as culpable.
November 16, 2012 at 18:18
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Thereâll be no denigrating of Gene Hunt! :/
November 17, 2012 at
14:36
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Perhaps a gene hunt will settle the matter.
November 17, 2012 at 14:58
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erâ¦â¦ Gene Hunt is a fictional character invented just a few years
back to give a particular impression of the Police way back. It is a
bit like a portrayal of Mrs Pankhurst being the face of the struggle
for womenâs equality.
November 16, 2012 at
15:54
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Moor, From this side of the world, I too often look back at the country
of my birth in wonder. If it werenât for frequent contact and reassurance
of family members, and relying only on the semi-hysterical tone of the UK
mainstream media, I would automatically assume the inhabitants were
borderline psychotic.
November 16, 2012 at 16:56
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@Bill Sticker
Indeed, some of my friends advise me not to get so het-up, and I must
admit that I walked around the supermarket this afternoon and men, women
and children were brushing up against each other constantly, seemingly
without need of police escort or prior verification by the relevant
authority. It is a parallel society perhaps, and parallel lines
seemingly never meet..
November 16, 2012 at 17:55
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I wish I had written that.
Itâs exactly how I feel.
November 16, 2012 at 17:07
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@ James â itâs âbated breath.â
November 16, 2012 at 18:27
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Thatâs one that really grates, along with âTow the lineâ..! Itâs âtoeâ!
Grrrr!
November 16, 2012 at 19:54
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â¦state of the ark..
..off his own backâ¦
November 16, 2012 at 19:59
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Tow the line does have its own meaning if you think about it, but not
the same as toe the line. My pet peeve over here in the US is âoff of,â
i.e. get off of my back, he ran off of the road, etc. Ugh. And of
course, âHe was hung for his crimes.â âNo. âHe was hanged for his
crimes.â As my granny used to say, âMeat is hung, people are
hanged.â
November 17, 2012 at
00:49
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He could have been hung by his meat and two veg?
November 17, 2012 at
14:39
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My beef is with all the journos and politicians who donât know the
story of King Canute, who never tried to hold back the tide, but used
it in a demonstration of the limit of his power â and for his efforts,
has been misrepresented ever since.
November 16, 2012 at 11:47
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Wikipedia on Gill (Sounds like one of those âMassingberdâ obits in the
Telegraph)
âA deeply religious man, largely following the Roman Catholic
faith, his beliefs and practices were by no means orthodox.â –
November 16, 2012 at 19:27
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Hi Thor2HammerâGill was a Catholic convert. Something chosen, rather than
imposed by upbringing. Thatâs different.
How this relates to his sexual appetites must be interesting. Those
appetites, incidentally, give a bit of a lie to Annaâs âThe British
Broadcasting Corporation â a Monument to Paedophiliaâ.
In fact he appears to have screwed anything that moved. Children were a
minor part of it. âBBCâA Monument to (Unbridled) Sexualityâ. Has a different
ring. While being equally inaccurate.
November 16, 2012 at 11:10
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Strange how attitudes vacillate. Iâve read several articles in various
different published organs praising Gillsâs artistry to the skies. Only one or
two mention in passing his âunconventional private lifeâ. I canât help
thinking that the same writers who praised Gill would excoriate any senior
politician (especially a Thaterite one) found to have even looked at a naked
child. Ever.
Maybe if the statue is replaced, it should be a representation of a hole
beneath the waterline, the result of striking the iceberg of fact whilst
several officers were not present on the bridge (and the captain was asleep
with cotton-wool stuffed in his ears). Not one that will sink the ship, but
definitely enough to cause the drowning of a couple of matelots, some panicky
bailing-out by the minions, and a hefty repair bill.
Though quite how people of Gillâs mindset would interpret the request for a
representation of a hole, one shudders to thinkâ¦.
November 16, 2012 at 11:54
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An excellent idea â it could be represented by a carefully designed
symbolic hole in the wall of Broadcasting House below pavement level, a
major work of art for our time.
You could even have a small plaque set into the pavement to mark the spot
â making the actual hole, is, of course, unnecessary, so it has the benefit
of saving a great deal of expense.
Who knows, it might even win some kind of award!
November 16, 2012 at 19:42
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Maybe if the statue is replaced, maybe it should be a representation of
the infamous Goatse image.
Many licence-payers consider a substantial proportion of Auntieâs output
emanates for a similar source, and, has a similar constitution.
November 16, 2012 at 10:53
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Mr Amfortas, I donât know who the fuck you are but for someone who claims
an IQ of 149 you are surprisingly illiterate. Good for a laugh though, and
obviously a complete prat.
So there you go Mrs Raccoon. I can still insult your commentators.
Especially when they are delusional fools.
November 16, 2012 at
10:57
November 16, 2012 at 11:19
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You donât know who I am, Jim? You poor chap. You must be surrounded by
illiterate prats and even suspecting I might be one more has obviously
tipped you over the edge into impoliteness.
November 17, 2012 at 23:10
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Jim/James (this chap has an obvious identity crisis), it is said that
when one is reduced to making âad hominemâ remarks about your interlocutor
then⦠youâve lost the argument. Time to cast off, mateâ¦
November 16, 2012 at 10:28
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Aha! Ahoy right back at you. I donât care to be aggressive because you are
a good person and you have had difficult times. How was I supposed to guess at
your background? You should have been honest from the start because it was
completely obvious that you were not some uneducated kid from Liverpool.
If I lack a sense of humour then so do you. You take all this stuff so
seriously, like it makes a scrap of difference whether or not you were in the
know about Jimmy Savile. Believe me, Iâm not a fan, but the thought of digging
up a body is truly ridiculous, and this over reaction is fuelled by your
exclusive revelations.
The world is in a mess right now. People are in revolt across Europe,
Israel is starting a war, the people of the USA are dependent on food stamps.
And you expect anybody to care about the sensibilities of a school girl who
didnât see what was going on in some care home forty years ago? Itâs really
not that important. Jimmy Savile is dead. The issue is redundant, but I do
believe in the BBC as, in the main, a force for good and truth.
November
16, 2012 at 10:32
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I fail to see how somehhow itâs Annaâs âexhaustive revelationsâ
that are fuelling the countryâs increasingly hysterical paedogeddon!
November 16, 2012 at 10:34
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Maybe, jim, we should say the same about the world being in a mess and
revolting people on food stamps, when so many were murdered by Stalin and
Mao and co. Heck, all pales into the daily trivia and we should not talk
about our own experiences.
November 16, 2012 at
10:53
November 17, 2012 at 23:05
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Jim, by the âAhoyâ references, I take that you are a nautical type
chapâ¦
If so, then you have clearly âmissed the boatâ with reference to Annaâs
background, which is clearly recorded through this blog, if you could be
bothered to make the effort.
âAs it happensâ⦠oh, that phrase!! It DOES matter about the whole Jimmy
Savile affair. The BBC have clearly made major mistakes. A dead manâs memory
has been villified, without the necessary proofs. Clearly, he was a very odd
man, but where is the EVIDENCE that he did any of what is now alleged? It
may come to pass that such matters can be proved but⦠Others too have been
dragged into this maelstrom, rightly or wrongly, like âusual suspectâ Paul
Gadd (Gary Glitter). I suspect that many more will have their collars felt
as well. We trusted the BBC as a bastion of truth and exemplary conduct. It
has been proven to be far less than that. Anna, by contrast, can be relied
upon to tell the truth, no matter how personally painful for her the act of
doing so is.
So⦠either get your facts right or sail off somewhere else, perhaps where
the sun doesnât shine!
November 17, 2012 at 23:06
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And⦠thatâs âvilifiedâ for all you pedants out there!
November 18, 2012 at 12:50
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You were gently but well rebuked by Anna,in the preceding ^post. She has
every right and entitlement to post on what she wishes and you have the same
right and entitlement to search out compmore
November 18, 2012 at 13:06
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You were gently but well rebuked by Anna in the preceding
post.
Smarting from this encounter you respond by saying that Anna isnât
writing about what is important in the world today, although you yourself
took the time to join in this apparently unimportant discussion. It seems
odd that you donât explain how and why you are the right person to be the
final arbiter of what people may write about. Odd that is, until you tell us
that you believe that the BBC is â in the main, a force for good and
truthâ.
Probably time to cut your losses.
November 16, 2012 at 10:10
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Thereâs a blog here, which illustrates how the past can be a very foreign
country indeed.
http://stoneletters.wordpress.com/2010/12/20/eric-gill-and-incest/
November 16, 2012 at 19:01
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Hi MoorâInteresting link. Thanks!
A fundamental question raised by Annaâs post is: Must
artistic/scientific/etc achievements be downgraded if we learn
distasteful/disgusting/immoral facts about that persons life? The most
famous candidate may be Leonardo da Vinci. He left no sexual diary, so we
donât know anything for sure. It is widely believed he was homosexual. He
surrounded with young apprentices. The two most well-known are Salaì
(arrived aged 10) are and Melzi (arrived aged 15). We donât know for sure if
Leonardo had sex with either, or if he did, at what age. It is reasonable to
suspect he did, possibly at an age which by current law makes him a
paedophile.
Now what? We can rest in comfort that we will never know for sure. But if
we did, would it make any difference to Leonardoâs standing? I doubt it.
More contentious: Two of our National Treasures are Alan Bennett (78) and
David Hockney (75), both gay. If they had sex before 1967, they were
criminals. With 20 year-olds before 1994, with 18 year-olds before 2000, or
15 year-olds nowâthey are paedophiles. (I have no evidence of, nor am I
suggesting, this.) That is if you equate paedophilia = sex below the legal
age of consent. I donât.
Better to restrict the term to those having sex with
childrenâprepubescents.
November 16, 2012 at 09:41
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You couldnât make it up? I think you could.
Mrs Raccoon, I have bowed down when faced with your undoubted integrity. I
have read your enchanting accounts of events, some of which stretch credulity
to breaking point. I salute your worshipping fans and I acknowledge your
fundamental decency. For all that, I am sceptical because I think you bring a
lot of baggage alongside your entertaining stories. That is not to say that
you are lying, sometimes though, you tell less than the truth.
You can suggest that Lord MacAlpine takes tax payers money and then shuts
up. (You did that yourself?) The difference being that he is a public figure
and might have to deal with vilification and abuse when he has done nothing
wrong. Not to mention the obvious, that the guy is too rich to be bothered
with small change.
I appreciate what you write. Sometimes though your stories are
inconsistent. That doesnât matter if youâre writing a work of fiction, but if
youâre holding yourself up as a bastion of truth, then you need to be accurate
and accountable.
November 16, 2012 at 08:23
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ââ¦..the underground bomb-proof shelter they had built back in 1942? Iâm
told it is still there, probably packed full of acting headâs of something or
other.â
Hmmmm. I know that part of it contains the archives of black propaganda
developed during WW2 and much of it quite filthy. The most depraved minds of
the nation were utilised in the war effort. Lies and accusations of sexual
perversity were the stock in trade and of course some understanding â if not
actual experience â of that sexual perversity was needed.
November 16, 2012 at 08:04
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He was indeed a bizarre man, but very talented as a graphic designer as
well as a sculptor. I hadnât known that there was that rather surprising
sculpture of his on the old Broadcasting House.
November 17, 2012 at 23:51
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Bizarre?!! Not just bizarre but also the damnable qualifier âbutâ As in
âbizarre, butâ¦â
Whatâs bizarre is your soft soaping downplaying crappola.
Iâm think
something more along the lines of â a miscreant scumbag demon who should be
have been hanged sooner than later.
November 18, 2012 at 11:11
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Well said.
People donât half come talk thoughtless crap
sometimesâ¦
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