News International – Something puzzles me
I have a question that those propping up the bar at the Raccoon Arms might be able to answer.
One would have to have been on a planet going around α-Centauri not to have been bombarded for the last two weeks by this business with News International and the News of the World.
Much of the coverage has been unremarkable, and a mere reflection of the media’s self-obsession.
I doubt that the vast majority of the population was any more bothered than I about the intrusion of reporters into the voicemail boxes of ‘celebrities’ or even politicians.
The thing which propelled the whole thing to prominence and generated public revulsion was the revelation that the private investigator had not only broken in to the voicemail box of Amanda Dowler during the search for her, but had actually deleted messages there.
That his behaviour was thoroughly reprehensible cannot be in dispute.
The debate now seems to be about who knew what, and those that knew but failed to act seemingly being as guilty as the perpetrators.
What puzzled me, however, was the call by politicians — led by the leader of the Opposition to Her Majesty — for the resignation of the chief executive of News International.
What ever she might have done — I’m happy to let the enquiries take their course — surely the matter of who is a director of a corporation is the business of the stockholders … and no-one else.
Can any-one here advance an argument to the contrary ?
If so, I should be interested to read it.
- July 20, 2011 at 19:55
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Perhaps it may be argued as follows:-
News International owes its market share and financial strength to state
regulation blocking entry to potential competitors. As such, the application
of he who pays the piper is just and equitable.
- July 20, 2011 at 19:45
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It’s an reflex reaction displayed by all greater and lesser spotted
politicians. Someone low down in an organisation does something generally
labelled ‘wrong’ and they immediately call for the head honcho’s head. Most
often displayed towards other politicians as part of the mating display around
a period in their life cycle called ‘election time’. It can also be seen at
other times of high news coverage.
As an example: a previously unheard of
sub-junior-assistant minister says something stupid about
immigration/crime/the NHS or Europe and MP’s of the other colour call for the
Caninet Minister or PM’s resignation.
If you find yourself with a similar
reflex reaction and are not a politician you have either missed your calling
or should consider journalism.
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20, 2011 at 16:33
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I’d guess it was not disgust at what Rebekah Broks had done that kicked off
the witch hunt but fear of what she might know.
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July 20, 2011 at 15:30
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“Can any-one here advance an argument to the contrary ?”
Well it’s not an argument, but the answer and the reason is mob rule, plus
the fact that the left (all of them – Labour party, Unions, many Tories, The
Graun, and (especially and overwhelmingly) the bbc) are wetting themselves at
the possibility that they may manage to close down Murdoch’s empire
completely, or at least keep it out of the UK.
Can you imagine how much easier it will be to impose the approved opinions
on everything, once there is only a choice of Guardians to read, listen to, or
watch?
- July 20, 2011 at 12:53
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There are many serious things going on in the world that the MSM
can’t/won’t cover – whether the hoi polloi are interested is a topic for
another day – but my point is that the media prefer to give us a circus to
watch rather than debate the real issues.
The circus is usually celeb culture, royal family (a special sub-set of
celebs), sport, scandal and the hacking issue is just a great example of the
latter they can run with for a long time. All these things act as a
distraction from the existential threats to our way of life that our politicos
resolutely refuse to recognise – far less deal with
In no particular order (but all connected) these issuse are Islam, Peak
Oil, and sovereign debt
- July 20, 2011 at 08:40
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One additional question comes to my mind: why did Murdoch Sr and Jr agree
to turn up at the Westmonster kangaroo court? Neither of them are (to the best
of my knowledge) UK citizens, so they’re hardly accountable to these monkeys.
I can’t see why they thought it necessary to dignify the proceedings by
gracing them with their presence..
- July 20, 2011 at 09:20
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PR. It’s better to be seen evading questions than it is to not turn up at
all. Not turning up gives the impression that you’ve got something to hide.
Answering questions badly just shows that you aren’t good at answering
questions or you are good at evading them.
- July 20, 2011 at 20:56
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Are kangaroo courts run by monkeys? Kangaroos, surely?
Just
sayin’.
- July 20, 2011 at 20:56
- July 20, 2011 at 09:20
- July 20, 2011 at 04:06
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Anyone is welcome to hack into my voicemail, after all I have nothing to
hide and, therefore, bothing to fear.
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July 20, 2011 at 19:58
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But just think what could be placed there to fit you up…
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- July 20, 2011 at 00:15
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I am a bit surprised thjat the USA lets an eminent american citizen be
treated in this way.
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July 19, 2011 at 23:07
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I followed the whole thing with interest and was amused to learn that
despite the triumphalism on the left, there seems to be no action their way in
the polls. Tee-hee!
As for the C, M &S committee, the bias was obvious and when that git
Sheridan asked the Murdochs if the recipients of News Corp. cash had their tax
affairs in order I nearly had a trouser moment. Hysterical!
Watson was bovine and sluggish and Coffey calm and organised. The best of
the lot was Louise Mensch who was careful to point out that the odious Piers
Morgan had boasted (in print) that he had happily hacked cell-phones AS AN
EDITOR. She also asked some useful other questions.
By and large, I think all three of the ‘witnesses’ got away with it and
certainly, as Dick P has pointed out, so did the markets…
- July 19, 2011 at 21:31
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Do people perhaps feel that journalists should stop snooping around, stop
finding things out by being sneaky.?
Is there a demand for a new paper
called, “The Three Wise Monkeys”?
(No.)
- July 19, 2011 at 21:10
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I cannot understand how the Mirror Group and others are ducking and
avoiding becoming targets.
It seems clear, that the committee investigations in 2006 has left a lot of
paper work and allegations left around. Some of this was leaked to the
Guardian and Labour party who have used it to try and scupper Murdoch’s BskyB
deal (how dare the BBC have competition). The stories however drew more and
more blood, we then get unproven allegation on top of unproven allegation
being fired faster than they can be ducked.
Why ‘prove’ Murdoch is not fit to run BskyB when you can just ‘convince’
people instead.
Labour, Guardian and the BBC must think this is the best few weeks in
decades for them. In just a short time the Political news and reporting
landscape has shifted left and I see no one willing to step into the breach –
else they would have done so years ago when it would have been more
profitable.
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July 19, 2011 at 22:17
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- July 19, 2011 at 21:02
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Tim Montgomerie had it correct on the radio today (not verbatim but close).
“The public have been more proportionate over this issue than the BBC or the
left” (some would say the two are the same thing).
In other words, as you say Pericles, we despise the people who were
hacking, but are getting rather jaded at the political sleb-fest which only
the left seem to think is something anyone truly cares about.
Murdoch’s pie-flinger has further thrown it all into farce. That’s probably
why Murdoch’s shares have leapt this evening, it’s just about all over.
- July 19, 2011 at 21:01
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Well Pericles, the politicians reckon they own us and the world they and we
inhabit so it gives them free rein to think they can run the corporates as
well.
Telling everyone how to run their affairs is a bit rich coming from
them duplicitous windbags though!
- July 19, 2011 at 20:59
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” — led by the leader of the Opposition to Her Majesty — “
You meant of course ” — led by the leader of Her Majesty’s loyal
Opposition to Her Majesty’s Government — ”
Winston
- July 19, 2011 at 20:58
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To me, the case below is comparable.
An incident took place (see below,
an oil pollution) and at the time of the incident the CEO/Owner was on holiday
at the time.
However, the court held that he should have had in place
standing orders prohibiting the master of the ship from behaving as he did (in
this case, using an out-of-date chart when he had an up-to-date chart
onboard).
OK the charts thing is clearly not interesting in the NoW case,
but that was a technical matter.
In the NoW case, the equivalent of charts
would be “the right of privacy”.
Surely the CEO of NoW and in fact any
newspaper should have standing instructions prohibiting the obtaining,
extraction or use of any private communication?
The question is, did Ms
Brooks have in fact such instructions in place, or not?
This is the case in question.
“The Marion” [1984]2 LLR 1] fouled an oil
pipeline whilst weighing anchor. The shipowner (“owners”) admitted that the
severe damage was caused partly by the negligence of the master who had been
navigating with an out of date chart. Owners brought a limitation action that,
at first instance, was upheld as the owners established that the damage had
not been caused “with their actual fault or privity”. The defendant
successfully appealed in the Court of Appeal and the case was taken to the
House of Lords by the owners. The House of Lords upheld the Court of Appeal’s
decision dismissing the owners appeal, on the basis that three requirements
with regard to charts had to be fulfilled in order to ensure the safe
navigation of a ship on the voyages undertaken by her:
Current versions of relevant charts should be available for
use;
Obsolete/superseded charts should be destroyed or segregated from the
current charts;
Charts should either be corrected up to date at all time or
at least such corrections should be made prior to their use on a particular
voyage.
It was held that the managing director of the vessel’s management
company had a duty to supervise the master in the keeping of up-to-date charts
and failure to do so constituted actual fault of the owners.
In answer to your question, Anna, of course it should be up to the
shareholders to keep or fire the CEO, but before they exercise that right they
are entitled to the right of being fully informed, of the activities or
inactivities of the CEO.
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July 19, 2011 at 20:40
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Having never bought a NoTW and having read very few, I have to say that I
couldn’t really care less, In the same way that I couldn’t care less who runs
Harrods or Tescos, or the Top Shop. all I’m interested in is the product they
flog. As you say, it is the business of the shareholders.
Why are MPs
questioning those that are alleged to have broken the law – That’s the job of
coppers.
MPs trying to outwit a man of Murdoch’s obvious mental
dexterity/superiority, for crying out loud they couldn’t find their own
arseholes using both hands and a mirror with a big sign saying “ARSEHOLE”
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July 19, 2011 at 23:20
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“ELOHESRA” would make it slightly easier…
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- July 19, 2011 at 20:37
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Er, a chief executive is not a director of a company but reports to the
board.
Directors can be disqualified by courts under the Company Directors
Disqualification Act 1986 for the reasons set down in the Act. What is wrong
about anyone calling for someone to be sacked? It’s freedom of speech. A wise
board will consider all public reaction and act accordingly. If you received
rude service in a shop or restaurant what would your reaction be if the
manager replied that as you didn’t have any shares in the business your
complaint would be ignored? It is a right of Parliament to hold people to
account on our behalf.
When American companies helped cause the Gulf of
Mexico oil rig to explode, Congress chose to interrogate the British Chief
Executive of BP in order to lay the blame on the British and assist the
shareholders of its American rivals, yet none of the lynchmob owned BP
shares.
- July 19, 2011 at 20:56
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“It’s freedom of speech.”….. Brian report to MinHealth (Mental Div) for
an irony implant, you seem to down a quart.
- July 19, 2011 at 21:27
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Cascadian: shall I get you a new tinfoil hat when I’m there?
You may have heard of John Donne who wrote eloquently on the subject in
this famous poem:
No man is an island entire of itself; every man
is a piece of the
continent, a part of the main;
if a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe
is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as
well as a
manor of thy friends or of thine
own were; any man’s death diminishes
me,
because I am involved in mankind.
And therefore never send to
know for whom
the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Admittedly, it is the opposite of the Libertarian “I’m fine, sod you”
philosophy but I prefer it.
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July 19, 2011 at 23:22
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Brian you are free (for the moment) to make your own decisions, if
you think you need a new tinfoil hat then you should have one, though I
should avoid Philip Treacy’s creations. We would not want you coming
back complaining you were bullied.
http://www.celebitchy.com/155174/princesses_beatrice_eugenies_hatmaker_defends_his_fug_creations/
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July 20, 2011 at 13:43
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Cascadian, I was offering to get you one. 3XL extra pointy?
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- July 20, 2011 at 11:11
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Calumny!
To label Libertarianism as “I’m fine, sod you” is
outrageous – you must be thinking of another philosophy. Or was it meant
to be ironic?
Try instead, “I’m fine, and feel OK about it, because it was not
achieved to your detriment.” (Ed: needs to be shorter &
snappier)
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July 20, 2011 at 13:50
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From experience, the typical Llibertarian is the person who claims
to have only had water and no pudding when splitting a bill. I do hope
you are the exception that proves the rule. How about:
“I’m fine, and feel OK about it, because it was not achieved to
your detriment except if I’m smoking in a restaurant next to you, in
which case you have to put up with it so I can maintain my freedom to
smoke despite your prefence for clean air. “
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- July 19, 2011 at 21:27
- July 20, 2011 at 00:59
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BP is not a British company. BP were the operators of the rig and
therefore carry the can. For goodness sake get your facts right.
- July 20, 2011 at 13:41
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Colin, if you read my comment you will see that I did not state that BP
was a British company – the American Prez called it British Petroleum.
Good pun about carrying the can; I’m sure it was unintended. BP are suing Transocean, Halliburton and Cameron.
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July 20, 2011 at 17:27
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Brian the international business law genius who believes that because
there are laws governing business conduct in UK it is then reasonable
for the the leader of the opposition to sit as judge and jury to demand
executives be fired and mergers be blocked, goes onto tell us of his
wide experience of dining receipts and how this all relates to the
monstrous idea of libertarianism. Oh, and he quotes Donne too. Quite
versatile, perhaps he has a sideline as a check-shirted, unfunny,
comedian appearing on BBC bewailing vicious cuts. Say hi, to Charlie
Gilmour for me Brian.
Brian also managed to mangle the Deepwater Horizon case, seeming to
think this has been concluded and that it represented some kind of an
excuse to manipulate the market.
Through it all a consistent theme is evident, a loathing of the idea
of private investment or property, a belief that government must control
everything, and as I pointed out previously the Mr Ed faction have long
espoused state control of communications.
And that is exactly what is wrong with liebours attitude to News
International . As Gewyne has noted, that famous liebour organ The Daily
Mirror is far more complicit in phone “hacking” but we hear not a word
of protest raised against them.
Now if you don’t mind I’ll be getting on wiv me beer.
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July 20, 2011 at 18:00
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Actually, I believe that both government and business should be
accountable to the individual and should be regulated to prevent them
using their greater size and power unfairly.
I do wish you would
read what I actually write.
My apologies for spilling your
beer.
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- July 20, 2011 at 13:41
- July 19, 2011 at 20:56
- July 19, 2011 at 20:37
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Pericles, its re-education camp for you old son. Report to your local
MinTruth office.
Mr Ed’s dad has schooled his sons (and most liebour MP’s) well, they would
surely know that the communist manifesto includes the following,
“Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands
of the State.”
In Mr Ed’s mind all news gathering agencies are “owned ” by the state and
therefore liebour will decide who is chief executive, who will work as a
journalist and who will feed the double-plus good news to them.
Mr Murdoch is presently undergoing re-education, he will soon understand
that all news in yUK is owned by the state, that he has no right to compete
with the state police for information, and certainly no right to profit from
such efforts. State owned news (the BBC and Guardian) have been telling you
how to think, have you not been paying attention.
- July 19, 2011 at 20:29
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From what I can see of it, not being in the UK, the left got very upset
when the Sun stopped supporting them at the last election. Everything they and
their mouthpieces, the BBC and Guardian, are doing follows on from that with
Brown leading the charge because he really, really wanted to keep the top job
that Tony kept him away from.
The fact there is an enquiry by parliament now is only to cover up the fact
they were found out. Bitterness on their part only because none of them know
how to run a country let alone a business.
- July 19, 2011 at 20:06
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The left does not understand private enterprise, certainly, in the case of
MiliEd, they have little experience of it
Consider Ed Balls and Sharon Shoesmith
Corporatism perhaps but corporations no
- July 19, 2011 at 20:05
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There’s no good reason, except for the fact that the slimy politicians have
finally found something that stinks worse than they do and are determined to
milk it for all it’s worth.
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