The Truth Behind the Truth.
You may possibly have heard recently about a bit of bother near Gaza. It was in all the papers, don’t know if you noticed.
Anyway, none of us were there, but we did once talk to someone who had met an Israeli. Which makes us fully qualified to assess the truth behind the situation. What happened was this:
The convoy contained no men or women — only activists. This must be so, as the Beeb and Sky News and all the papers keep telling us, over and over, they were activists, activists, activists. And obviously, this word is only a stone’s throw away from terrorists.
Anhyway, a group of Israeli charity workers were out in their helicopter, and decided to drop in on the convoy of ships headed for Gaza, loaded with things that would keep the people there alive for a while longer. So they shinned down ropes from the ‘copter, carrying only some peaceful knives, assault rifles, etc. The way you do when you’re visiting.
This made the people on the boat — sorry! — activists just a tiny teeny bit anxious. They grabbed whatever was to hand — iron bars, bits of wood, etc — and attempted to repel the boarders, who they regarded as interlopers and pirates. Why did they have these things to hand? Well, would YOU go venturing on the high seas without some means of defending yourself?
Now the poor, innocent and almost defenceless Israeli commandos — sorry! — charity workers, were in turn a little alarmed at being lynched by the boat people, and, seeing as how they’d brought these guns with them, (just in case, you understand), decided to make a few bangs.
Many of the lynch-mob of activists then deliberately and with malice aforethought threw themselves into the line of fire, thus committing suicide.
While the incident itself has drawn little notice, many of the Israeli commandos have been sent for special counselling, psychoanalysis, etc.
Israeli is reported to be filing lawsuits against the convoy and all participants for unlawful resistance on the High Seas.
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June 3, 2010 at 13:20 -
Its interesting that for all the hype about the poor starving Palestinians and the wicked blockade by those evil Jews, today we find that the Hamas Government will not allow any of the aid from the boats into Gaza.
Hang on, I thought Hamas were the good guys?
I thought that Hamas were REALLY, GENUINELY, concerned about the humanitarian needs of their people. This is obviously the sole reason for them organising the convoy with all the PEACE activists on board. They would never in a million years use the poor locals pawns in their political objectives, thats just not the sort of thing that Arabs do is it. Mass punishment is always what the Israelis do isn’t it.
I guess I must have misheard the report, it MUST have been those evil Israelis again, after all, they own all the world’s media don’t you know. That’s why Israel always gets such good press.-
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June 3, 2010 at 15:39
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June 3, 2010 at 13:30 -
Watch the footage of the savage beatings and tell me you would not have pulled the trigger.
We can discuss the logic or the morality of sticking armed commandos on the vessel in the first place, that would be a debate, but there is no justification for the behaviour of those on board. You attack and try to take weapons off soldiers, you are quite likely to get shot. All those ‘resisting’ only had to behave like those on the four vessels searched before them and nobody would have been hurt. This is not too far away from planting your armaments next to a school and then calling the Israelis evil for the resultant child deaths.
“who they regarded as interlopers and pirates”
How do you know this? Maybe they simply regarded them as the IDF and acted accordingly.
Or to put it another way, when sailing towards a blockade after persistent warnings and the full announcements (megaphones, radio messages etc.) that you will be searched, anyone regarding the people coming to search as ‘pirates or interlopers’ is lying or insane.However, as with everything else surrounding this issue, most people start at the initial right or wrong and judge every following event on the decision already made. Either way, I cannot bring myself to condemn the men flying down on ropes.
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June 3, 2010 at 15:41 -
“Watch the footage of the savage beatings and tell me you would not have pulled the trigger.”
Ah, but you see, if you are armed, and they are not, you have to stand there and just take it. It’s in the rules of engagement (for anti semites) or something…
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June 3, 2010 at 15:56
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June 3, 2010 at 14:33 -
Probably one of the most naive and ridiculous posts I’ve seen on here.
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June 3, 2010 at 14:58 -
Sorry, I should have said……..’I’ve seen anywhere’.
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June 3, 2010 at 15:06 -
Oh, I don’t know – there have been some right doozies in the past. At least nobody could accuse the Israeli government and military of not learning from history – their erstwhile oppressors would be proud.
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June 3, 2010 at 15:42 -
In particular, you have a problem with…which bit?
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Hi,
when will thew Zionist obscenities end, the replication of the ghettos of Nazi Germany and the sytematic and endemic abuse of the Palestinian peoples in their own homes.
When will the Zionist scum and their state sponsored IDF terrorists be driven out of Palestine by a civilised world?
Largely the peoples of the Middle East lived in ‘relative’ peace be they muslims, christians, jaines, zorruastruans, jews, hindus or of other or no particular superstitions – Then came the evils of a Zionist land grab and the attacks and abuse of the indiginous peoples and their neighbours as the Zionists moved in an entirely new and largely urban population to force out the peoples of the land and crush them.
This is not the first act of Zionist state sponsored PIRACY by these scum – some may remember they attacked and slaughtered US Military personnelle on a communications ship!
Those Jews who do not toe the Zionist line are equally as brutally treated eg. the vile encaceration of Mordecai Vannunu (sp?) held in a manner known world wide as TORTURE for 18 years – his crime? A Whistle Blower! He told a Times Journalist of some of the criminal breaches of the Nuclear Arms Proliferation Treaties by the Zionist filth.
I welcome the balancing of power against these evil interlopers, I am not surprised that Zionist behaviour has led to the escallation of hard line Islam, a direct result of Zionist dishonestly arming with nuclear weapons is that it GRANTS THE RIGHT of countries like Iran to move to nuclear defence.
I welcome the removal of Zionism from Palestine or any other area it is an evil and radicalising concept. Permit the peoples of the region to return as muslims, christians, jews and other superstitions or none to return to living in relative peace.
I as a British citizen of no superstition but widely travelled must accept some of the blame for the evils inflicted on Beirute, The Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Afghanistan, Syria, Pakistan for the radicalisation of these areas by permitting the evils of Zionism to continue.
There was a time when I was young enough and competent to have used the methods of the Zionist terrorists to remove the Zionist’s leaders – sadly I did not do it.
We should be protecting ALL ships on the high seas from priracy whether driven by greed and hatred as with Zionist piracy or povert as in The Straits of Mollacca and off the coast of Africa.
Regards,
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June 4, 2010 at 12:28 -
Israel is not a signatory to the Nuclear non-proliferation Treaty and therefore cannot be in breach of it.
Your lengthy rant could be condensed into: Its the Joooos! The dirty Joooos , I tell you. I’ll hide my dislike of them by calling them Zionists.
You seem oblivious to the real problem: Islam.
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June 3, 2010 at 15:45 -
I’m surprised Anna would entertain such as vacuous article. Everyone has now seen the video of these “peace activists” beating soldiers with bars and chains. The activists themselves have release a video of them bludgeoning soldiers. Where they supposed to allow themselves to be lynched or thrown overboard? Dig a little deeper and your find videos taken by the “peace activists” in which they discuss their desire to be martyred, in which they sing songs of Israel’s destruction. Still more videos (all still taken by the ‘peace activists’ themselves) in which they prepare for the boarding by brandishing weapons and pad themselves with lifejackets as armour. Another video by a ‘peace activists’ shows such an activist plunging a knife into a distracted soldier.
The evidence is now so strong that the soldiers were brutally assaulted that the left has shifted tack. Now instead of claiming that the soldiers came aboard and started machine gunning women and children as the BBC originally claimed, now they try and make fun as the above article does. Or labour on at myths.
Myth 1 It is illegal to board a ship in international waters: Not so, the British navy does this routinely, all navies do.
Visit, Search and Capture
Customary international law has long recognised that all merchant vessels at sea are subject to belligerent visit and search outside neutral waters, provided that there are reasonable grounds for suspecting that they are subject to capture. All enemy merchant ships other than those exempt from attack (supra) are subject to capture, however, neutral merchant ships are only subject to capture if there are reasonable grounds for suspecting that they:
(a) Are carrying contraband;
(b) Are breaching a blockade; or
(c) Have engaged in un-neutral service.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/…2005/8.pdfAs you can see there is no requirement that the action be within the waters of the state conducting the visit and search.
Myth 2 The Israeli soldiers were looking for a fight: Israeli soldiers boarded five other ships first, and on each occasion they were meet with nothing more than bad language. Not surprisingly no-one got shot on the other 5 boats. The above article would have you believe that the ‘peace activists’ did not notice the other 5 ships getting boarded, nor was there any radio contact between them,. Nor apparently did the ‘peace activists’ on this particular ship notice the inflatable boats alongside the ship with megaphones clearly stating their intention to board. Those ‘peace activists’ knew what was coming, and as one of the videos I have linked above show, they were making preparations and arming themselves with weapons and pumping themselves up for a fight, not surprising when they are hoping to be martyred as another of my videos taken by the ‘peace activists’ themselves show.
Myth 3 Gaza is starving: Again not so, Israel is daily ferrying hundreds of tons of produce into Gaza, the market stalls are overflowing with produce. The Danish Journalist was sent to Gaza to report on the privation. He was shocked to discover something else.
I had expected to see real suffering, because with all the fuss in recent days to bring some ton humanitarian relief in – so much that people actually sacrificed their lives for it – so had to really be a deep, desperate situation in the Gaza Strip. No food. Long queues in front of UN food stocks. Hungry children with food bowls. But it was not the picture that greeted me.
But there was certainly no shortage of vegetables, fruits or any other ordinary, basic foods. Tomatoes, cucumbers, corn, watermelons, potatoes – all in the mountains at the many stalls.
And the first woman we interviewed in the market confirms this strange, contradictory, negative outlook:
“We have nothing,” she said. We need everything! Food, drinks … everything! ”
It disturbed her not at least that she stood between the mountains of vegetables, fruit, eggs, poultry and fish, while she held his doomsday prophecy solid.Myth 4 Palestinians have no state: They do it’s called Jordan, and the state was created at the same time as Israel. Only back in 1923 Israel was called Palestine by the British who came up with the name. Palestine for the Jews, Transjordan for the Arabs. Palestine was the poor relation, mostly scrubland and desert, but the Jews set to work making the most of their patch and after a lot of work and well boring they started to make it lush and plentiful. At which point a whole bunch of Arabs decide they wanted what the Jews had created and renamed themselves Palestinians and started moving there on masses, Only a tiny handful of arabs lived in the area before, and almost all of those in west Jerusalem. Almost all the people describing themselves as Palestinians have no roots to the area their parents or grandparents simply moved there. Case in point, Yasser Arafat was Egyptian who like many Arabs decided to travel to Israel in his youth and call himself a Palestinian
Myth 5 This was a Israeli blockade which is opposed by everyone: Not so Egypt was also enforcing the blockade and doing so with a great deal more brutality. By no-one listening to the MSM would know that.
Myth 6 Israelis are trying to exterminate the Palestinians: Again not so. Witness Arabs and Jews mixing freely in Jerusalem where the Arabs there have opted for the peace process rather than rocket fire.
Unless this article is very poor sarcasm I cannot fathom why Anna would post such flimsy drivel.
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June 3, 2010 at 15:53 -
That’s disappointing, all the hyperlinks in the above comment disappeared on posting, I list them long hand here, Every assertion I made I can back up for you to see with your own eyes.
beating soldiers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo&feature=related
bludgeoning soldiers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O5N1Gh3tjo
martyred: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSAxAj2KIdU&feature=player_embedded
brandishing weapons: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZlSSaPT_OU&feature=player_embedded
plunging a knife: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buzOWKxN2co
clearly stating their intention to board: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlxdJC6KGgk
something else: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://www.steffen-jensen.dk/dan/blogartikler/134–mere-mangel-pa-arbejde-end-pa-mad/&sl=da&tl=en -
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Blimey, Anna!
This post of yours is either a spectacularly subtle piss-take or a spectacularly crude one.The peace activists prepare….. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZlSSaPT_OU&feature=player_embedded
If you really fail to see just how engineered this confrontation was I worry for you.
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June 3, 2010 at 16:14 -
No need to worry for me Jack – I’ve been out all day and have not posted a word so far – does anybody ever look to see who the author is these days?
Never mind, I’ve just posted a You Tube video which should cheer you all up.-
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June 3, 2010 at 16:26 -
I had assumed only those posts that you invite make it onto the site. What with the name of the blog being what it is.
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June 3, 2010 at 16:44
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June 3, 2010 at 16:45 -
Hi,
Was it this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLVe1NkQA78Is this realy you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBelSHiIVO4So what’s wrong with John Lewis’:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6u7ylr0zIgOr perhaps:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8Regards,
Greg_L-W.
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June 3, 2010 at 16:22 -
Hi,
New Zionist policy:
Somali Pirates should be welcomed with tea and biscuits on arrival on board any vessel from or bound for their terrorist regime.
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June 3, 2010 at 16:34 -
If I was a soldier/officer in that situation and someone came at me very quickly with a 10″ long knife or a metal bar, I would draw my gun and say, “Stop or I shoot.”
If there was more time, I would offer a more precise warning, “Stop. Come any closer and I will shoot you. Drop your weapon immediately and lie down with your hands showing”.
If they did not stop and continued to move towards me, I would open fire to save my life and/or the life of a colleague.
What part of that is unreasonable?
The people who screwed up are the planners and te ones who gave the orders .
There are also a lot of non-Jewish people who deliberately wanted to provoke an incident. Well, they got one.
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June 3, 2010 at 16:46 -
About 90% of British military personnel posting on the Army Rumour Service say exactly the same thing: http://www.arrse.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=150598.html
Most are actually amazed the soldiers took as long as they did before they fired, only after a colleague had been stabbed and another thrown of the top deck.
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June 3, 2010 at 16:51 -
Kingbingo,
The final proof for me that this was pre-ordained provocation was the fact that on a Bank Holiday Monday, when most people have scattered to the winds – away from their offices, away from their mobile phones, thousands of activists were mustered up and down the country in the UK to march on various key points in ‘protest’ against the Israeli aggression. Banners at the ready, megaphones supplied, all ready and waiting in position. -
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And if I was on a ship and armed abseilers were about to land on deck, I’d have shot them ‘in self defence’.
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Hi,
How very fortunate that you are NOT a soldier, with such an attitude to an act of terrorism.
I presume these pirates will merely claim they were obeying orders!
I seem to recal that was the excuse used by the Nazis for their many murders of civilians.
I presume these protesters at the Zionist inspired holocaust delivering aid to the modern day Warsaw Ghetto should, like the Polish resistance be shot!
Don’t take my word for it – consider the words of a Jewish Statesman of repute and standing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8Now consider:
The British foreign secretary has highlighted the incompetence of the Zionist attrocity saying they ‘…did not properly plan its raid on a flotilla of aid ships heading to Gaza, leading to a “chaotic situation”.Israeli forces killed at least 10 protesters deluivering aid and siezed hundreds of people from the boats, which were in international waters.
William Hague made an emergency statement to the House, and described how British consular staff had been reduced to going to the prison and asking if anyone was British.
He said ‘he was deeply disappointed with Israel’s handling of the situation and confirmed that 37 British nationals were detained – 11 of them have dual nationality’.
Israel has not given “full information and access to them”.
David Milliband although of much the same origins and background as Gerald Kauffman clear lacks his morality, gravitas, stature or statesmanship and said ,in The House of Commons, of this Zionist attrocity:
‘the raid on the aid ships was just the latest self-defeating action from Israel, and the blockade of Gaza has “done nothing to defeat terrorism”.Again we should listen to a voice of stature and reason and a great deal of experience both in and out of Government, mostly as an elder Statesman in our society, Sir Gerald Kaufman MP, with a large constituency of the Jewish fraternity of Manchester, said of this Zionist attrocity by the IDF State sponsored Terrorists “Israel is guilty of war cimes in pursuit of an illegal blockade”.
Sir Gerald as a leading Jewish spokesman and politician called for ‘punitive action against Israel’ as a result of this vile act of terrorism by the Zionist terrorists.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8Regards,
Greg_L-W.-
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June 3, 2010 at 17:46 -
“I presume these pirates will merely claim they were obeying orders!
I seem to recal that was the excuse used by the Nazis for their many murders of civilians.”If you knew your history a little better you would know that the Nazi’s were oppressive National Socialist who used the Jews as a convenient scapegoat to hide their own shortcomings and failings and who dreamt of eliminating the Jews. Just the same as Hamas and their western activists.
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June 3, 2010 at 17:56 -
Let’s not forget the gypsies, the communists, the trade unionists, the homosexuals and all the other Untermenschen, who didn’t fit into the glorious Reich – they do tend to get rather overlooked in all this. We should also remember that not all Jews are Israelis and not all Israelis are Jews – there is a considerable difference between Judaism and Zionism and the former should not be blamed for the failings of the latter.
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Hi,
Vimes – I do apologise if I seemed to overlook the other victims of the Nazis not to mention British soldiers seeking to liberate all these groups from the vile concept of a centralised totalitarian militaristic power dominating EUrope!
I trust I have clearly shown my understanding of my revulsion for Zionism, terrorism and piracy as practiced by the IDF and Zionists in Palestine.
Clearly Zionism gives Judaism a very bad name and their vile practices are heaped on the heads of the decent Jews around the world most unfairly.
It is hard to differentiate between Zionism and The Nazis as to who has done the greatest harm to Judaism in the long term – most probably Zionism as it has NEVER attracted support from decent folk whilst The Nazis brought out the good in mankind who so bravely confronted and defeated the evil concept taking not just the jews under their mantle for shelter – jews like the Kauffman’s, the Millibands, the Straws, the Allbrights, the Siefs, the Cohens, the Avners, the Letwins, the Rifkinds, the Levies, the Einstens and so many more proud refugee families as we do with the refugees of Somalia, Pakistan and the Middle East today, some that have served their new lands well and some that have betrayed them – just as people do!
As measured by how much better off these United kingdoms would be had we exchanged the front benches of both Parties in 1997 for honourable refugees!
Just as I lumped all who suffered from the Nazis under one group let us not forget the christians, the photographers, the journalists, those with no superstition, the aid workers, the jews, the teachers, the students and the legitimate protesters that have over the years been gratuitously slaughtered, maimed and intimidated to fulfil the greed and obscenity of Zionism.
Clearly not EVERY jew who is the victim of discrimination, hatred, abuse around the world is as a result of Zionism but clearly it is Zionism that is hated and Zionism that WILL eventually destroy judaism as a belief of dignity and respect.
Regards,
Greg_L-W.
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June 3, 2010 at 17:11 -
It will, of course, be very interesting if and when the Iranians, or the North Koreans, or the Chinese decide to pull the same stunt against their own provocative protestors – they’ll be so delighted to see how understanding and forgiving everyone will be.
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June 3, 2010 at 18:34 -
Wow… you post a small satirical piece and suddenly World War three has broken out among the more humourously-challenged.
I certainly have no intention of either starting a comment war, or of cowering before your wrath. I and I alone wrote the piece, so reserve your fire for myself, not Anna.
And read this account from an eye-witness. Like I said in my piece — I wasn’t there. But she was.
I guess you’ll say it’s all lies anyway. As Paul Simon once said “A man hears what he wants to hear, And disregards the rest.”
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June 3, 2010 at 18:35 -
Forgot to post the link!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/03/british-survivor-gaza-flotilla
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June 3, 2010 at 19:41 -
“Wow… you post a small satirical piece and suddenly World War three has broken out among the more humourously-challenged.
And read this account from an eye-witness. Like I said in my piece — I wasn’t there. But she was.
Forgot to post the link!”
Yessssss, its a little more satirical if you make the tiniest reference to what it is your satirising, BEFORE people comment rather than after.
You forgot to post the crucial link and your piece looked genuine. batshit crazy but genuine, like alot of what has been written lately on same subject.
Nothing wrong with my sense of humour mate, some of my best friends are comedians.
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June 3, 2010 at 20:43 -
Phew. I thought I was the only one.
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June 4, 2010 at 23:12 -
Seems to me that the original post was quite reasonable in the circumstances.
And I wouldn’t pay too much attention to the hostile comments. I understand that the Israeli government has actually got a department working on getting people with too much time on their hands to post these kinds of things.
Sad really, and not indicative of a strong moral or legal case.
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