I find it hard to like the right wing Tories – find it hard to like any of the current crop of political figures; I am a natural Libertarian from instinct rather than ideology.

I find it even harder to like the left wing. Frothing at the mouth about all manner of alleged grievances, invariably on behalf of people that neither know nor would wish to meet, they always come across as people who can turn the most good natured debate into a polemic against anyone and everyone who doesn’t agree with them.

E’en so, I was shocked to see this photo image on Political Scrapbook this morning, putting Tim alongside a BNP thug and claiming that he was ‘gloating’ over the hiding meted out to Cormac Hollingsworth by BNP supporters.

One of the nastiest and most childish examples of playing the man rather than the ball that I have seen in a long time – and from what is supposedly a ‘top’ political magazine.

No sooner had political scrapbook (I don’t think they deserve capital letters any longer) posted this example of ‘how appalling it was that by using the word ‘pounding’ Tim was apparently encouraging the use of violence towards rivals’ than a comment appeared on their page – a comment that was neither moderated nor condemned – saying that ‘Tim better get used to looking over his shoulder in future’.

Not surprisingly, Tim Worstall e-mailed the editor. People reproduce themselves – it is hardly surprising that the level of comment on political scrapbook should be so low when you see the reply he got from the *ahem* learned editor.

You’re an idiot.

Laurence Durnan
Editor, Political Scrapbook
Voted #2 left wing blog 2011-12 for Total Politics magazine

What a deeply unpleasant shower they are. For the apparent ‘crime’ of using the word ‘pounding’ in an article, albeit denouncing the use of physical violence, Tim finds himself threatened with a lifetime of ‘looking over his shoulder’ and portrayed alongside a BNP thug. Charming.

Charles Crosby
March 9, 2012 at 10:45

The left versus right political game is a construct deliberately arranged to keep the proles/sheople occupied – it’s all a meaningless charade whilst the real power brokers get on with organising their New World Order – One Corporate Communist Worldwide Government.

A world governed by Neo Cons – China being the current model upon which their system will be based. Nice!!

ivan
March 9, 2012 at 11:17

Maybe it is time this applied http://www.xkcd.com/1013/

Charles Crosby
March 9, 2012 at 13:09

If the people realised how much power they really had it would frighten the life out of them. Perhaps that’s why they prefer sleep, watching their LED screens and voting amongst other useless and futile pass times.

2Mac
March 9, 2012 at 18:50

Charles,

I shall send you a tin foil hat to protect you from the NWO mind control devices the reptilians are using to control the sheeple. Now get off line as MI5/CIA, The Masons a Prince Edward will be monitoring your communications.

Charles Crosby
March 9, 2012 at 18:57

@2mac Never mock what you are not prepared to counter with proof or evidence or someone will brand you a fool.

Surreptitious Evil
March 9, 2012 at 20:26

Never make prima-facia ridiculous claims without being prepared to either provide solid evidence or have the piss ripped out of you (which isn’t, of course, an incitement to violence.)

Charles Crosby
March 9, 2012 at 22:02

Prove what I say is ridiculous or do you want me wipe your arse for you as well.

2Mac
March 10, 2012 at 11:18

From the outside it may look like a preplanned conspiracy from the inside it often looked like chaos, greed, opportunism and incompetence.

If you start from a position of totally believing in an idea you will always find evidence. Sexism, Racism, Islamaphobia, Anti-Semitism, NWO, etc.

I will however agree there are most likely people in power who would love to recreate a slave culture run by an elite(them) and the worrying thing is the technology now allows them to oppress without the conscent of the masses via drones and telecomms.

If you are interested here is a link showing just what is possible on a smart phone from a single script embedded in an image.

http://th3j35t3r.wordpress.com/

Extract – All emails, all contacts, phone logs, all sms, passwords, documents and more.

Charles Crosby
March 10, 2012 at 16:05

“From the outside it may look like a preplanned conspiracy from the inside it often looked like chaos, greed, opportunism and incompetence.”

“None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free” – Goethe.

They also think liberty is freedom, which it is not.

“Who controls money controls the world.” – Henry Kissinger – Council on Foreign Relations

The Rothschilds and The Vatican

“Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything” – Josef Stalin.

Eg’s The 2nd Irish EU Referendum. Dubbya’s ‘election victory’.

“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.” – Henry Ford

The people create all the money with their signatures i.e. a signed mortgage application form is a Promissory Note, in other words its cash, your cash, if you signed the note. The banks have no money.

“In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, it was planned that way.” – Franklin D Roosevelt

Eg The Churchill/Roosevelt Pearl Harbour treachery.

alan
March 9, 2012 at 18:52

You give them far too much credit. I think Hanlon’s razor better describes the situation.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Lickyalips
March 9, 2012 at 11:19

How do you know that the tattooed man is a member of the BNP and that he is a ‘thug’?
How many BNP members have been arrested and charged with violence that you know of?
Talk about stereotyping – you wouldn’t demonise a certain racial group by calling them all terrorists, would you?

Engineer
March 9, 2012 at 12:39

Funny you should mention that – some people do just that. It’s part of the extreme of political debate that really doesn’t help sort out any problems.

The extremes of political debate make good ‘news’, so tend to get disproportionate coverage. That’s unfortunate, because it undermines the quiet good work being done by decent people on all sides of such debates.

Stabledoor
March 9, 2012 at 12:07

The left justify their means (any means) because their aim is so self evidently noble and just. The right are generally more thoughtful and considered because right wing (free market) views are more nuanced and go beyond “everyone should be nice to everyone else” and life should be “fair” to all regardless of the personal choices that everyone makes.

This is why the young are often left wing and as they grow up understand human nature and how the world works and tend toward the right wing end of the spectrum

As someone once said

A man who has never been a communist has no heart
A man who is still a communist has no brain

2Mac
March 9, 2012 at 12:22

When I worked in a pub in my late teens, I was having a political chat with one of my Sunday regulars. He was in his late 40s and a very pleasant chap.
We were at different ends of the political spectrum. I was a idealistic young sapling nurtured for over a decade by the BBC and Teachers, Professors, Opposition politics. I hated the fascists of the political right as they were responsible for every wrong in the world. I was a believer in political correctness and multiculturalism.

He laughed at me and said. “I once thought like you. Then I lived in the real world. I realised the world is not fair, it is not logical and it will never be perfect.”

To make political policy on a utopian lefty dreamworld is neither practical nor affordable. We need many small steps towards improvement and accept the road is long and never ending. Reality will always triumph

Spiral Architect
March 9, 2012 at 12:34

Ooooooh, I’m a Scottish Nationalist, but I’m not a raving leftie honest.

Fascists are generally leftists not right wing by the way.

Charles Crosby
March 9, 2012 at 13:29

@Spiral Architect Yes Goebbels was a Communist prior to joining Hitler’s club, and Hitler admired Marx.

Spiral Architect
March 9, 2012 at 13:39

The only difference between fascists and communists is that the former have better uniforms.

Charles Crosby
March 9, 2012 at 13:46

Interestingly there is one bigger difference: The crowds in Germany and Austria cheered for Hitler, but I never saw Russians cheer for Stalin or any of the other Mfr’s.

Spiral Architect
March 9, 2012 at 15:05

The Chinese cheered for Mao though.

Charles Crosby
March 9, 2012 at 16:40

Of course, if they didn’t life became even worse than it already was – i.e. they lost their daily rice allowance.

2Mac
March 9, 2012 at 18:34

Spiral,

I do not follow the matra left or right consistently. I decide for myself on a case by case basis. On most politcal compass calculations I fall slightly to the right preferring less state interferance in daily life. I think Government should be for important national projects, education, health, law & order, etc and remained focused on the bigger picture.

I would consider myself a realist. What can be fixed right now, should be. When times are economically fragile cuts must be made, public services reduced, people paid off and pension terms that are affordable in the long term. Police should patrol streets not fill in forms on ethnic diversity of criminals. I want immigration capped to a selective specially skilled elite few not the free for all under labour where we imported drug dealers, pimps, gangsters, terrorists, taxi drivers and benefit claimants.

Is it so difficult to consider that people of all political persuations could support self determination and the mechanism to elect and kick out your government based on how they served you. For me it is inviting trouble to have a government who do not rely on your vote as we have with the current Tories but in fairness to them they have been less bad compared to ZaNu Labour. Given time though….

Charles Crosby
March 9, 2012 at 18:52

@2mac “I think Government should be for important national projects, education, health, law & order, etc and remained focused on the bigger picture.”

This view point, whether you like it not, makes you a communist, just as I was before I woke up, for all the things you have cited form part of the Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto. Two others you missed are 1) A central bank and 2) a graduated income tax.

Over the last 200 years whilst our parents, grandparents and great grandparents have slept they have enslaved us. We are all in a communist coffin upon which they are about to put the lid but there is still a little time before they affix the screws.

2Mac
March 10, 2012 at 11:27

OMG! I am a communist. off to Amazon to purchase my Che T-Shirt

Charles Crosby
March 10, 2012 at 15:48

Yes why not, excellent idea, only I would be more up to date and design a new motif with something like Che Cleggeron on it or Corporate Commies r Us.

Bob
March 10, 2012 at 21:35

The Government should never ever be in education. All successive governments have succeeded in doing is dumbing down several generations of children. Education should be completely privatised so that competition can take place. Then we would see how many liberal left teachers would be employed. The Government should just finance it via a voucher scheme which parents could upgrade.

Spiral Architect
March 9, 2012 at 12:36

Worstall is a decent man.

Political Commentator has joined the ‘Loony Left’.

Spiral Architect
March 9, 2012 at 12:37

Political Scrapbook – apologies to The Commentator (one of my favourite blogs)

Anna Raccoon
March 9, 2012 at 12:38

What’s with the capital letters – they don’t deserve that dignity.

Spiral Architect
March 9, 2012 at 12:47

Agree, I’ve just read the post – and the comments – it seems like these ‘tabloid lefties’ are no better, no more intelligent and no more progressive than those BNP skinhead warriors who go round putting dog turds through Asians’ letterboxes.

Charles Crosby
March 9, 2012 at 13:34

Griffin is a freemason and the BNP, like all political parties, a smoke screen.

Anna Raccoon
March 9, 2012 at 14:07

I’ve just nicked a wonderful comment from over at Tim Worstall’s:

It is often said debating the left is like playing a pigeon at chess, they knock over the pieces, shit on the board and then strut around like they won.

M Barnes
March 9, 2012 at 14:17

I think Iwill in turn nick your nicked comment….like it!

Engineer
March 9, 2012 at 21:08

I’ve just been listening to ‘Any Questions’ on Radio 4. It quite starkly illustrated one of the differences between Left and Right. The Left seem to bare-facedly use any twist of an argument to score a cheap political point, and there was one (clearly Guardian-reading) numpty still wedded to the idea that you could tackle the debt crisis by incurring more debt. Those leaning more to the political Right of debates did seem to put their point of view and allow it to be judged – there seemed to be less inclination to score points or be populist for the sake of it.

Just an observation, that’s all.

2Mac
March 10, 2012 at 11:29

i was listening and following the #bbcaq twitter stream. The lefties were complaining it was full of right wing types.

I sometimes think they live in a parallel universe. Maybe it is called a multi(cultural)verse

Amfortas
March 10, 2012 at 03:55

Tim’s (via Anna) aphorism, with a minor change, is a perfect fit for feminists.

Debating a Feminist is like playing a pigeon at chess; she will knock over the pieces, shit on the board and then strut around like she won.

I am going to paraphrase it everywhere too !

Charles Crosby
March 10, 2012 at 06:53

Feminists along with lesbians and homosexuals all suffer from a developmental disorder. Obviously they have all lacked a good (example based) parental upbringing.

Much of this being caused and encouraged deliberately by our communist society (the nanny state).

Niels
March 10, 2012 at 11:21

The threat of any conspiracy is directly proportional to the capacity for critical thought demonstrated by the theorist who was able to discover it.

Good day.

Charles Crosby
March 10, 2012 at 15:44

I wasn’t aware that I was hinting at, nor invoking the idea that a conspiracy was involved – just stating the verifiable facts.

Good day to you too