Mark Williams-Thomas – The Mark of a Man?
Back in 2010, the British Daily Mail newspaper in the UK was reported as likely to be sued by the American internet giant Facebook.
The Daily Mail faced legal action from Facebook, after wrongly naming the social networking site in an article about child safety online. The Mail published an online retraction of the article by child protection expert Mark Williams-Thomas, which was originally published under the headline:
“I posed as a 14-year-old girl on Facebook. What followed will sicken you.”
Whilst the newspaper was busy retracting, the reporter Mark Williams-Thomas, was tweeting his innocent role in this catastrophe that he claimed had been totally caused by the Daily Mail.
In a message sent via Twitter, author of the piece Williams-Thomas said he had “made it very clear in final copy to the Mail that the experiment was conducted on a SNS [social networking site]“ with “no mention of Facebook“.
It was a terrible mistake that Williams-Thomas bitterly regretted had happened and his representative at the Daily Mail expressed her clients’ legal position quite categorically. The Guardian picked up on the contretemps. Williams-Thomas was reported as even having utilised his police training by taking notes of his 24 hour day and who he had spoken to at exactly what minutes of that day. This sort of detailed reportage always sounds convincing. The Mail was forced to apologise and take the rap.
”The paper apologised in print today and online yesterday for the error, which the author of the piece, Mark Williams-Thomas, insisted had been introduced at the paper despite being told it was wrong. Williams-Thomas, a former policeman who now works as a criminologist, subsequently explained:
“At 19.48 hours on Tuesday 9th March I sent amended copy to the interviewing journalist at the Daily Mail in which I had made small but significant changes to the copy she had sent to me which I read at 19.21, including removing the word Facebook and replacing it with ‘well known social networking site’. I made it very clear to the journalist and her alone that the changes I had made were necessary before publication. It is clear that the changes were not made… At no stage prior to publication did I have any communication with any editors at the Daily Mail.”
The protestations by Mr. Williams-Thomas became absolute and irrefutably clear in the Guardian:
“Williams-Thomas insists that he was not using Facebook but had been using another, unspecified social network.”
So, you can imagine my surprise when I clicked on this old youtube clip that has been on youtube since April 2011 and watched the first 37 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1lfp2xFQ5M
Just as Bill Clinton did NOT have sex with that woman………
So Mark Williams-Thomas did NOT use FACEBOOK……..are you sure?
In case your computer cannot do video, here are some image captures and a verbatim transcript of the dialogue
“My latest investigation has uncovered shocking new evidence of how paedophiles are posting horrific images and videos of child abuse on Facebook.”
“At first glance these could be innocent images of young kids posted by themselves or their families…”
“but a closer examination of their profile page, and the friends linked to them, reveal some truly disturbing images of children being sexually abused, along with keywords that direct other paedophiles to other places where they can trade them.”
So we are left with a few questions after all.
Did Mark Williams-Thomas lie to the Daily Mail and pretend that his story was not about Facebook?
Did the Daily Mail know it was about Facebook but then simply wanted to avoid a costly legal battle?
If there are horrific images of child abuse easily accessible on Facebook why have Mark Williams-Thomas and the Daily Mail attempted to hide this fact from the world by insisting their investigation was not using Facebook?
Facebook of course may have their own list of questions.
One thing is for sure, we have not heard the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
So Help Me God!
August 19, 2013 at 02:58
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He is married to a former policewoman (from the Surrey division) and he has
two daughters. You’re right that there’s not much info out there anymore.
Interesting in itself. Used to be quite a bit out there.
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August 18, 2013 at 18:42
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I have never paid much attention to MWT, but it seems odd to me that he
doesn’t have a Wikipedia entry and I can’t find any information about whether
he is married, children, etc. Well, perhaps he just wants to keep that stuff
private to avoid press intrusions, but in his LinkedIn profile I find that he
only claims ONE YEAR as a police detective, in spite of claiming in his The
Guardian profile that he had “considerable experience of running major
paedophile investigations.”
Considering that he never made it above the rank of constable and does not
seem to have been on a fast-track promotion trajectory with the Surrey police,
it seems surprising that a constable would have been running investigations,
which is surely a management task that would have been assigned at a level
higher than constable. (I don’t know much about how police work is organized,
but my brother-in-law is a uniform division police sergeant who was a
detective constable for almost 20 years, and he was not running major
investigations.)
http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/mark-williams-thomas-ma-pg-dip/3/884/2b5
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August 18, 2013 at 20:26
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He is married to a former policewoman (from the Surrey division) and he
has two daughters. You’re right that there’s not much info out there
anymore. Interesting in itself. Used to be quite a bit out there.
- August 18, 2013 at 20:39
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Do you know what church he and his family attend, if any? Probably
needs a bit of debriefing and family time to get away from all this filth.
Church is a community activity. So it’s good to share.
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August 18, 2013 at 20:46
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St Tweeter’s I believe !!!!
- August 18, 2013 at 20:59
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When they’re religious, crusaders tend to cluster around the cranky
sects; Methodism, Quakerism, Unitarianism and the like. Back in the day,
the “Pretty Police” (the gay-huntin’ coppers) were well known to recruit
from that kind of demographic and I don’t know of any research to prove
or disprove this, but I wouldn’t be surprised if vice squads and
crusader cops in general have a disproportionately devout makeup
compared to the general population.
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August 18, 2013 at 23:30
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As a generalisation, that’s a bit debatable, although I could see
it attracting self righteous, do-gooding, moralists. But if you look
at where the New Puritanism of today emanates from, arguably its
exponents aren’t necessarily, or or even intrinsically, Christian
As far as MWT goes, doubt it. Posts too often at wrong times on
Sundays
and seems to have too much apparent self satisfaction at the downfall
of others, deserved or not, for anyone who would genuinely profess to
believe in any form of personal redemption that culminates in ‘There
but for the Grace of God, go I’
- August 19, 2013 at
02:07
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Ian, you just picked three of the most liberal churches!
Over here, it’s the Baptists who tend to get on their hind legs
about morals. Of course, the Baptist religion was rife in Wales – all
that Chapel business. A lot of lace-curtain tweaking tut-tutters, all
dressed in black, just a generation back. I’m half Welsh, so entitled
to comment, having been a ‘victim’ of it myself.
Both Meirion and Mark come from a Welsh background.
- August 19, 2013 at 01:46
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All the information about where he lives, etc., has been removed. I
know he lives in Surrey. Someone came over here and posted that he and
his family have recently moved to a new house. Well, you gotta do
something with all that dosh, I guess.
However, he looks as if he’s gone to ground for the moment. He took a
tone, as we say, when Jeremy took him to task about his legal right to
‘research’ child porn on BBC-owned computers, albeit with unproven legal
authority, i.e. “be careful.” Take your own advice, Mark. You are on
VERY thin ice legally at this point.
- August 18, 2013 at 21:10
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2009:
An official complaint has been lodged with the police after a
man stood naked for an hour on the fourth plinth in Trafalgar Square.
Justin Holwell stripped at the start of his one-hour slot at 2pm on Sunday
as part of artist Antony Gormley’s One and Other project. Mark
Williams-Thomas, a former detective constable with Surrey Police,
complained that his wife and children were ‘annoyed and upset’ and he
‘fully expected that the surrounding police or organisers would stop this
man’. But police refused to remove Mr Holwell as it is not a crime to
appear naked in public.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1210924/Official-complaint-man-strips-naked-fourth-plinth.html
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August 18, 2013 at 21:24
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@Moor – here we go guys and gals – what do you think happened to Mr
T’s complaint after all Surrey police had moor important things to
investigate in 2009 ……. !!!! – anwsers please, let’s see who’s been
paying attention over the last 8 months or so !!!
http://www.radiorewind.co.uk/sounds/jimmy_saville_lq.mp3
- August 19, 2013 at
01:52
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Don’t even have to look, rabbit! This was during the “I’ll do
anything to get attention” phase of MWT’s vaulting ambition.
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August 17, 2013 at 16:43
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I’ve woken MWT up from his slumber! (he hasn’t been online for a whole 24
hours!)
If you look through the Twitter feed of “mark williams-thomas”, you’ll see
the interesting exchange between us about him viewing child porn. Apparently
the clip we’ve all seen of him posing as a 14 year old girl on Facebook was
done on BBC premises under strict legal conditions. I’m still curious to know
how the hell he managed to attract all the paedo’s so quickly!
Anyway, i think he may well be up to his neck in the ickky stuff, hence the
Twitter silence!
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August 17, 2013 at 17:33
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Jeremy, any way you can put the twitter feed on here? I’m not a twitter
person, but be interested to see what was going on. My guess is that, if he
has left traces of his accusations against Facebook anywhere on the
internet, he’s hearing from their lawyers. We can but hope anyway.
- August 17, 2013 at 17:37
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https://twitter.com/search?q=mark%20williams-thomas&src=typd&mode=realtime
That’s the “mark williams-thomas” twitter feed…
https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas
This is his own feed, as you can see he’s been very quite these last
few day, only replying to my questions!
- August 17, 2013 at 21:11
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MWT has been a significant nuisance for quite a while it seems. I’m
enjoying the Twitter feed – good to see so many others are on to him as
well. Thanks for providing the links, Jeremy!
- August 18, 2013 at 01:44
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Someone suggested in the very defensive twitter feed that perhaps a
FOI request could be made to the Surrey police to get some background on
Mark. I think that was already tried and so far nothing has been
produced. At this rate, I am more and more suss of this man’s motives.
Why did he suddenly become interested in child ‘protection”? It’s a bit
of a jump from being charged with blackmailing the owner of a funeral
home to this area of interest, especially with no real credentials at
the time, and for all I know not now either. Was Mr. Thomas raised in a
care home himself, did he experience abuse as a child, what’s the story?
Pete Townshend was hauled in for visiting sites that dealt with child
abuse, because he was researching his own past – Uncle Ernie on the
Tommy album I think recounts experiences Pete may have had as a young
boy – while contemplating writing a book about those experiences. The
plods took one HELL of a dim view of it. So why so lackadaisical when it
comes to pretty much the same activities on the part of MWT while he was
doing this with the knowledge and permission of the BBC? If Mark wanted
to entrap pedophiles on ‘social media sites,’ then why didn’t he simply
have police officers pose as the 14 year old girls. I’m sure the Met has
a sex crimes unit where officers are trained in this procedure, as well
as the local jurisdictions. Then he could have had a fun old time with a
camera crew when the pedo shows up at the girl’s home and the police
take him down for everyone to see A good deterrent and a warning to 14
year olds. Better television as well.
But his producer, Meirion Jones, wanted to ‘expose’ Duncroft, and
instead of listening to his aunt and applying common sense, he believed
Karin Ward’s book. First mistake. Karin has always admitted to being
very sketchy on memory, and as I have several friends who are being
treated for cancer, which Karin was at the time, I am aware of a
condition called “chemo brain.” http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/chemo-brain/DS01109.
Now, we have this creepy take down of a dead celebrity, mostly based
on the false memories of a couple of women from an approved school –
which of course made it a darn sight more titillating. But, if your
quarry has to be dead for you to catch up with him – well, that speaks
for itself.
I wish DLT well – I hope he’s got great lawyers. Someone needs to get
MWT to stfu from now until after the hearings/trial. Anything he
publishes on ‘social network sites’ could be extremely prejudicial to
the litigation at the very least.
I also want to wish Margaret Jones a belated happy birthday – August
2.
- August 18, 2013 at
14:55
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No Sally Margaret Jones will be 92 on August 26th.
- August 16, 2013 at 15:36
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It seems that Nick Pollard is letting his mouth go about the credibilty of
the BBC bosses he interviewed – shame no one thought to investigate the
‘credibilty’ of the main culprits ……
- August 15, 2013 at 23:43
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@Moor – like f’ing Paxman – he never met the man but was ready with his
shitty comments ….. please let’s stop this now – keep our spirits up all will
be well …. eventually
- August 15, 2013 at 20:17
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However… I will add that having looked at the comments on the Yahoo report
of all this, I’m heartened to see that they are more or less universal in
supporting DLT and decrying this whole business as a “witch hunt” and/or
“bandwagon”… Makes a change!
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August 15, 2013 at 20:50
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@Ergathones
These sorts of opinions have been aired on a fair few
occasions in recent months. As you say, its encouraging. But I think also
that a big factor tends to be, whether the current scapegoat is ‘popular’ or
not.
- August 15, 2013 at 20:00
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I note the BBC News write-up mentions the all-important “age 15″ among the
allegations. Can’t have the sales of flaming pitchforks dropping off…
Plus – 2007? Isn’t that far too recent for this sort of thing? I thought
the whole point of all this was that any impropriety was meant to have
happened so long ago that defendants couldn’t categorically prove that they
*didn’t* do it, memory being what it is, and complainants are excused from
having to go through the trauma of providing excessive details about the
alleged offences… memory being what it is.
I too hope the Hairy Cornflake puts up a good fight – since we all know
that vigorous protestations of innocence at the outset can take a very
different turn as matters progress.
Pardon my cynicism, but at present I see little to persuade me that the
current pervading “guilty till proved guilty” atmosphere is going to go away
any time soon. For a lot of people, hating is easier than thinking, and as
discussed in earlier posts, we seem to be fast approaching a point where a
complaint is enough to condemn…
- August 15, 2013 at 19:16
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Dave isn’t “anti” at all in terms of what was quoted above – he was rounded
on by the same media snakes that conspired to set him up in the first place
and had to say ‘something’.
Contrary to his current “image” as some kind of miserable pompous pervert,
Dave is held in very high regard by his colleagues past and present, male and
female. There are many ladies, some of them household names, absolutely
disgusted by the stitching up of a man described as “a lovely teddy bear of a
man who goes out of his way to help people if he can”.
I don’t think there can be many people – famous or otherwise – who would
survive a trawl of their emails and telephone contacts in the manner Yewtree
investigations have been contacted. Which is, of course, the precedent they’re
desperate to set.
The whole thing is being conducted more like a Pissing Contest than a
police operation.
- August 15, 2013 at 19:34
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It’s terrorism in the literal sense; the deployment of power to cause
terror in some general population. Which is the normal modus operandi of
“hate movements” which we need, IMV, to recognise is what we are dealing
with here. Lynchings of blacks in the South actually had very few victims,
but enough happened to make every black fearful of stepping out of line “in
case it might be me”. There are very few jihadi murders of Westerners, but
enough to make everyone fear saying anything that might draw jihadi
attention.
Organised feminism is a hate movement. It has nothing to do with helping
people, womens’ rights or equality. It is a movement of people with mad
ideas, crystallised into a conspiracy theory, which characterises all men as
the enemy; by their very nature, by their very existence. It has extended
itself now throughout our governmental and civil institutions and has now
reached the open terrorism phase. This terrorism has two “threads” as we
would say in modern parlance.
The first as mentioned above is a generalised terrorism of males and male
sexuality. The second is a form of revenge, which is the driving force
behind Yewtree. It is revenge on an era- the period from the 60s to the end
of the 70s when people dared to be liberal in social matters. It was this
liberalism that ignited second wave feminism as a furious ultra-reactionary
formation. The SW Feminists were not fighting against “oppression”. They
were fighting about the terrifying outbreak of sexual freedom that offended
their ultra-puritan souls, the breakdown of the First Wave feminist ideology
of sexual suppression and repression.
So the purpose of all this is to deprecate that entire era. The message
is, “and don’t you even dare think of trying to free yourselves again”.
Truth doesn’t matter to people like these. They don’t care what happened,
or if anyone was really hurt, or what harm they do to the people they choose
for destruction. Terrorists never do. It’s just how Hate Movements
operate.
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August 15, 2013 at 20:46
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Ian said: “Lynchings of blacks in the South actually had very few
victims, but enough happened to make every black fearful of stepping out
of line “in case it might be me.””
Tuskegee Institute records nearly 3500 lynchings of black Americans,
and about half that amount of whites in a period of 80 years – so 5000, or
65 or so every year on average. Lynching was an equal opportunity form of
terror and lawlessness. That’s 65 a year too many, whether the victims
were black or white. And if they could get away with it now, they probably
still would. Nowadays, it’s something called “stand your ground.” Gotta
love those southern states!
- August 15, 2013 at 20:56
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Point taken, but it was really just an example kind of thing
- August 15, 2013 at
21:03
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Perhaps a new word should be added to the lexicon, “Marking,” or
the pointless and despicable persecution of elderly celebrities.
Lynching was named after one Charles Lynch, “The term “Lynch’s Law”
– subsequently “lynch law” and “lynching” – apparently originated
during the American Revolution when Charles Lynch, a Virginia justice
of the peace, ordered extralegal punishment for Loyalists. In the
South, members of the abolitionist movement and other people opposing
slavery were also targets of lynch mob violence before the Civil
War.”
- August 16, 2013 at 18:17
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@ Truth doesn’t matter to people like these. They don’t care what
happened, or if anyone was really hurt, or what harm they do to the people
they choose for destruction. Terrorists never do. It’s just how Hate
Movements operate. @
This Movement seems to be adopting a somewhat scattergun approach……….
Police forces across the country are investigating 169 officers and
support staff in relation to sex-related offences, it has been revealed.
The investigations include allegations of rape, sexual assault and
voyeurism at forces across the country, according to reports. Britain’s
largest force, the Metropolitan Police, has now set up a working group to
‘deter inappropriate relationships and the abuse of police powers to
perpetrate sexual offending’.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2388647/Police-investigate-169-officers-country-relation-sex-related-offences-including-rape-sexual-assault-voyeurism.html
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August 16, 2013 at 18:47
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@Moor Larkin
‘a working group’ – good god.
Most forces have
made do with a polite reminder on their intranets, that when most people
call the police they aren’t anticipating having sex with them
(I
added the word ‘most’ because there are some who call, hoping precisely
for that)!
- August 16, 2013 at 18:57
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“Emerging evidence suggests that the victims …….were often
vulnerable in some way……… because they had suffered domestic violence,
rape or sexual assault, or individuals who had drug or alcohol
addictions.”
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/09/police-169-staff-predatory-sexual-behaviour
[suppresses urge to blurt out, “No Shit Sherlock!]
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August 15, 2013 at 19:43
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Social network analysis! The investigative instrument of choice. I think
it’s called multi-tasking – or mixing business with pleasure.
- August 15, 2013 at 22:24
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@ Dave isn’t “anti” at all in terms of what was quoted above @
He made
no pretence at *gushing* back when the massed media were clustered round the
golden coffin a-wailin’ and a-weepin’.
Dave Lee Travis said Sir Jimmy could talk to anybody and “genuinely
enjoyed” seeing the joy on the faces of the children on Jim’ll Fix It. But
he was also a private man, he told BBC Radio 4′s PM programme. “Deep down
inside him there was a guy which was very hard to get to. “I’ve known Jimmy
Savile for over 50 years, that’s a hell of a long period to know somebody,
and I’ve never had an absolutely in-depth straight conversation with him
because he’s constantly got a sort of invisible shield up. “He likes to keep
his distance from everybody, even friends. He’ll joke his way out of
something if he doesn’t want to answer you… I think probably enigma is a
good word for it.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15507826
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August 15, 2013 at 22:51
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@Moor – I guess the real ‘Mark’ of any man or woman for that matter is
what they will or won’t do when their back is against the wall. I could be
wrong but I have a feeling that Mr Savile would not have used such words
just to make himself look like the better man. These accused men would be
wise to hold their counsel and refuse to speak to the press who are, after
all, not interested in them anyway.
- August 15, 2013 at 22:59
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I think “avoiding being accused” is the name of the game, and to be
fair, in that made flush at the beginning of October, anyone could be
forgiven for believing the worst. I can recall making more than one joke
about the BBC “cover-up”. However, there the came a point where I
realised, “This is Mad!”
Anyhow, you’ll go a long way to beat this for bile….
Mr Blackburn, 69, who himself once boasted of sleeping with 500
women, told The Sunday Telegraph: “I am disgusted beyond words at the
vile, despicable actions of Jimmy Savile. “Whilst it is a tragedy that
Jimmy Savile is not alive to face the justice that he deserves to face,
I only hope that the victims are able to get some comfort from the fact
that their stories are now being heard and believed. “To me, Jimmy
Savile was only ever a work colleague. He was never a friend. He was not
a nice man despite how the public viewed him at the peak of his success.
There were always rumours circulating about him, the problem at the time
was that rumour was always hard to translate in to fact. Jimmy Savile
was a master manipulator of the press and would do what he could to keep
his image held high in the public conscience. “It will be to the eternal
regret of me and, I’m sure, so many of my BBC colleagues that he was
allowed to get away with these monstrous acts. All of us who worked at
the BBC during the time of these heinous crimes owe it to the victims to
speak to the police and the BBC investigations unit and help them in any
way we can.”
Worthy of David Eek! I would say……….
- August
15, 2013 at 23:12
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Here’s what he said when he died ….. ‘he was always kind ….. ‘
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CLo8H1QLOk
They are all two faced I’m afraid !
- August 15, 2013 at
23:27
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Blackburn – a card-carrying reactionary Daily Mail reading idiot –
is known for being as thick as pigshit. He is tolerated for his place
in history but in terms of personal respect most of the DJ’s you could
name just think he’s a liability and a complete buffoon.
Read
nothing more into it than him being a complete imbecile, and bear in
mind all his peers think that too.
- August 15, 2013 at
23:23
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Actually, in terms of *that circle* and aside from the vengeful
Gambaccini – a card-carrying member of the gay/feminazi stasi – there
has been a wall of silence from them all. Aside from a few ill-judged
reactions from (I think) Dave Cash and the terminally tick Tony
Blackburn at the beginning of October they have all, quite rightly, kept
their own counsel. The ‘old guard’ are mostly all in contact with one
another and have closed ranks.
Which in one respect makes this
situation even more sinister – so many exposed to such deep corruption,
it must be a real test of faith to occur just as they are supposed to be
coasting to a content old age. So many people knowing they are but a
whisker away from being mincemeat – and that in death there is no
guarantee either.
- August 15, 2013 at 23:36
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I recall poor old Pete Murray doing his best, saying how he met
teenage girls visiting Jimmy Savile, but they were just pop fans etc
etc etc, but you could almost imagine the journalists rubbing their
ipads together, thinking, Keep talking Pete, this is GREAT!! ….
:-/
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/350728/I-found-two-young-girls-in-Jimmy-Savile-s-home-says-DJ-Pete-Murray
Amazing to see Christopher Biggins in that article, excitedly
emoting!! WTF would he know anyway………
- August
15, 2013 at 23:38
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@Chris – let’s just hope that DLT and anyone else targeted in this
way, fight all the way and don’t give up or get talked into admitting
something that they haven’t done
- August 16, 2013 at
00:03
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Pete did well given his age – doorstepping someone of that age was
an absolute disgrace.This is the crux of the whole thing though – we
supposedly have laws to protect the elderly from being taken advantage
of, but that doesn’t extend to hacks quoting/mis-quoting them and
harrassing them for interviews or putting them on trial for things
they probably do not have the capacity to defend.
- August 15, 2013 at 18:33
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@ Yes – point taken and like I said earlier, I still hope he fights all the
way ….. now look at this – Ha Ha
- August 15, 2013 at 16:16
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BTW – does anyone know if anyone was ever charged under that illusive
second ‘strand’ : ‘Savile and others’ …… ?
- August 15, 2013 at 16:21
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The [possibly BBC] “chauffeur” is supposed to be up before the beak in
September, if someone who makes a [suggested] gay liason with someone in a
London Lido in the 1980′s can be said to have anything whatsoever to do with
Jimmy Savile that is.
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August 15, 2013 at 16:26
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No doubt some ‘rave from the grave’ will appear this side of halloween
- August 15, 2013 at 16:13
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DLT has been charged ….. 12 sexual offences …..!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23716575
‘They’ have ‘sufficient evidence’ and it is ‘in the public interest’ to
proceed …. apparently ?
- August 15, 2013 at 16:18
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Let’s hope DLT girds his loins and takes to the Arena like a
demi-god!!
Avast!! And have about you oh Hairy Cornflake!!
The world
is watching……
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August 15, 2013 at 16:23
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@Moor – but he did slag Jimmy off didn’t he ? Correct me if I’m wrong
by all means. Nevertheless, I hope he fights all the way – the charges
appear mild apart from one ….. I think !
- August 15, 2013 at 16:26
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Here’s his final disgusting crime, hidden in plain sight. A clear
penetration attempt…..
http://i4.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article1438698.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Travis%204-1438698
- August
15, 2013 at 16:30
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Phrew I bet Jimmy was glad that Janice Long was standing between
him and the cornflake
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August 15, 2013 at 17:15
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If the conspiracy loons were to sadly mistake Ms Long for Harriet
Harman of the NCCL – there is a passing resemblance – might the
obvious conclusion for them be that “everything is now clear”?
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August 15, 2013 at 18:17
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@rabbitaway
I think the sexual assault charge that you’re probably
referring to as ‘less mild’ is the same offence but because it is 2003
it is the ‘modern’ offence, whereas the others fall under the ‘old’
law.
I don’t know about anyone else, but I just feel tired and weary
every time there is a development’ like this one.Haven’t got the energy
to say more than, lets see a good legal battle, please. And if he did
indeed denounce JS, then – I am small minded enough to think there is a
certain justice about him being made to play the game himself. Can’t
remember if he did though.
- August
15, 2013 at 18:26
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@Mina Field – this from the Daily Mail
He said: ‘My name appeared in papers alongside Gary Glitter and
Jimmy Savile – that’s not on.’ He added: ‘This is nothing to do with
kids, all right? I don’t want to be even mentioned in the same breath
as Savile.’
- August 15, 2013 at 18:28
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If that is the full extent of the quote, then I don’t think he
was so much denouncing Savile as not wanting to be tarred with the
child abuse tag – which is understandable.
- August 15, 2013 at
20:46
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@rabbitaway and @Anna Raccoon
I agree – if thats the extent of his commentary, he wasn’t
pitchforking. Mind you, those accused appear to be mostly those
who failed in their duty to display ‘outrage’. No wonder most men
have felt it expedient to jump on the ‘vile pervert’
bandwagon.
- August 16, 2013 at 20:02
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Rabbit away,
Re: “It is ‘in the public interest’ to proceed …. apparently ?”
Lmao, ‘public interest’ my arse, if these allegations are even true he
still only seems like a stupid old man at worst and all this trouble and
negative publicity would no doubt be more than enough to make him think
twice or reconsider his behaviour in future.
This is one of the worst of these ‘Yewtree’ cases yet in my opinion, it’s
pathetic…
- August 16, 2013 at 20:27
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Of course, if anyone were now having second thoughts about the mad
merry-go-round we are on and wanted it all stopped, having a case in which
the prosecution was thoroughly demolished and the underlying premises
publicly debunked might be a good way of doing it without losing too much
face. You can then put the boot into all the freaks and conspiracy loons
who started it all, while covering yourself with the umbrella that it all
had to be investigated in the interests of justice and the public. Shame
about the collateral damage, but…
In any conflict, each side will sometimes enter tactical battles with
every intention of losing in order to further winning the war
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August 16, 2013 at 21:08
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Interesting point Ho Hum
- August 15, 2013 at 10:50
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Off topic but made me smile ….. some study has found that spending too much
time on facebook makes folk less happy
To assess their personal levels of well-being, participants were sent
questions by text message at five random times each day for two weeks.
The “experience sampling” technique is a recognised reliable way of
measuring how people think, feel and behave in their day-to-day lives.
Over the two-week period, satisfaction ratings were found to decline the
more people used Facebook.
Emm, I’ll wager it was those bloody texts 5 times a day that really did for
them
http://news.sky.com/story/1128750/facebook-social-network-linked-to-unhappiness
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August 15, 2013 at 01:28
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Mina Field said: “In fact I am upset that the police service’s limited
resources are being wasted on all the nonsense begun by Williams-Thomas, and
on behalf of the police I feel aggrieved that not only has he taken many of
them away from real policing, but has slated and defamed them into the
bargain. Live by the sword, and all that. He started it.”
So true. This is what annoys me the most as well.
“To put MW-T into perspective – he is the polar opposite of Jimmy Savile,
save to say that probably neither has abused anyone. One worked and kept a bit
back, handing over most of his earnings for the good of others. The other is
running a business, for profit. He’s doing well, and so are the lawyers.”
MWT is abusing the British public, which is something that SJS didn’t do.
If you’ve read the very detailed entries based on the BBC paperwork that Moor
has discussed on his blog recently, it’s patently obvious that SJS was not
terribly interested in what went into his pocket. He donated his earnings for
many appearances directly to charity, and there are letters to prove that.
Btw, whoever the poster over here was who popped in and noted that MWT has
recently moved into a nice new house, in “idyllic” grounds, any way you can
let us know where that info came from?
I don’t see Mr. Thomas invited to the Palace, being accepted at Downing
Street, or being anything other than some self-appointed “child protection
expert,” nor will that happen at any time in the future. Unfortunately, a
portion of the British public are buying into the puffery, instead of asking
him for his credentials to bolster said claim. He has no degree of any kind,
and doesn’t appear to have much experience in the police either. He’s an
upstart, with nothing to back his claims. But he’s also a product of what’s
going on these days in the UK. Fortunately, BAFTA did not give him an award
for his show, and if he keeps this Facebook shenanigan up, he’s going to be in
a world of serious hurt from another Mark – Zuckerberg. He may already be for
all I know or care.
He needs to be strongly discouraged from any further exploitation of the
gullible for his own ends. Pity those Kray guys are safely tucked away, or I
wouldn’t fancy his chances.
- August 15, 2013 at 10:17
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I believe MWT has completed a masters degree (although until I’ve
actually seen and read his thesis, I’ll take his claims with a pinch if
salt) I first came across this charlatan about 6 years ago due to his
involvement in the McCann case. His website at the time claimed he held a
masters degree in criminology. I did a little research, and discovered that
wasn’t true. I contacted MWT’s office, and was eventually told he was still
studying, but the qualification would be awarded at the end of the academic
year. A little more research revealed that he wasn’t actually studying where
he claimed to be. His response when confronted was that he was intending to
apply to study the following year. I realize that academic standards have
dropped somewhat in the UK, but found it difficult to believe that someone
without prior qualifications would be accepted to study for a post graduate
degree. A couple of years went by, and MWT modified his website, announcing
that he was in the process of studying for a masters degree at a completely
different university than previously claimed. I’m sure many of us have
tweaked our CVs to present ourselves in a slightly better light, and of
course, MWT’s website is a sales and marketing tool, and you’d expect he’d
big himself up a little. The more I dug, the more dirt I found, the
blackmail charges etc, and I started to ask, is this really the sort of
person who should be involved in what was rapidly becoming the child
protection industry ?
If MWT did get a masters degree, then I’d like to think I’m at least
partially responsible by giving him a little bit of grief 6 years ago and
exposing his lack of qualifications, I think the least he owes me is a drink
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August 15, 2013 at 10:22
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Put a drink behind the bar for that hare landlady – make it a double on
me
- August 15, 2013 at 10:42
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Gadaffi Jr. got a degree off the London School of Ecological Gnomes
didn’t he? I seem to recall that this was allegedly achieved through a
combination of turning a worthy blind eye to Plagiarism and worthy
Academics writing it all for him and then giving him a big tick. The
footage of him lecturing at the LSE is still one of my favourite hilarious
moments from the Blair Witch Project.
At least nobody can accuse MWT of buying his qualifications with money;
and Jimmy Savile was as fond of having letters after his name as the next
Englishman.
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August 15, 2013 at 10:54
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Apologies Mr Larkin – I see that you are the relief landlord – still,
give that hare a double on me because
1. ‘he’s’ a similar small hairy
creature
2. he’s bigger than me
- August 15, 2013 at 10:55
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Hare’s are well know for being mad…… but only in March………….
- August 15, 2013 at
10:56
- August 15, 2013 at 11:08
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I actually saw my very first hare with my very own eyes, only a
year or so back. It was sat in the middle of a recently cropped field
and my primary thought was that that was one helluva BIG rabbit!
- August 15, 2013 at
10:54
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Hare,
You shall remain forever ‘unjugged’ in the Raccoon Arms.
I
always knew you were on the ball all those years ago, but congratulations
for taking up that little matter – wish you’d kept screenshots
though…..!
Kind regards,
Carmen…!
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August 15, 2013 at 11:13
- August 15, 2013 at 00:33
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FWIW, this is very much on topic, and may be a bit sobering if you aren’t
up to speed. If you have kids, or friends with kids, who have smart phones and
use social media, while those can be a great, very positive contribution to
their daily lives, do make sure that they know what they’re doing.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6f9_1376448511
- August 14, 2013 at 23:16
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@Mina field – well said
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August 14, 2013 at 19:37
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I doubt that’s the explanation. The only letter she may have been able to
get her hands on was the one wherein the Surrey police informed someone, in
the 2000s, that they had interviewed SJS and found that there was simply no
evidence to suggest that he had done anything inappropriate at Duncroft,
therefore they would be closing their file. Compounded by the fact that none
of these accusers were willing to go forward while SJS was still alive. This
then translated into “we aren’t going to bother (paraphrasing) because he’s
too old,” under the signature of a woman police officer that nobody seems to
know about. The recipient of the original letter was not Fiona, but another
pupil altogether. A reliable source has informed me that Fiona’s house is full
of quaint forgeries, all in frames in her sitting room. This entire farce
depended solely on the demise of SJS. Without a dead guy, they were up s-t
creek.
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August 14, 2013 at 18:47
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Btw, this thought comes and goes in the windmills of the old mind here, but
I can’t help but wonder where Fiona got hold of the letterhead from the Surrey
police when her forged letter surfaced. It was on older letterhead than the
time period it was purportedly written, and one has to wonder if a former
Surrey police officer kept old stationery around. Just saying.
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August 14, 2013 at 19:17
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Good catch, although she might just have scanned and edited a letter that
she had previously received from the Surrey Police and edited the letter
head to use it with a new letter. I believe she lived in Surrey during her
schooldays.
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August 14, 2013 at 18:41
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What’s even creepier is that MWT, in his guise as some sort of
self-appointed official, when in truth he’s just a member of the public, like
any old pedophile is until otherwise nabbed, can cheerfully go on to social
networking sites or elsewhere and view child pornography at his leisure,
because HE says he can. He is not a police officer, he is not an officer of
the courts, he is simply a member of the public. If anyone else was caught
doing this, it’d be ‘down to the station with you, boyo, and bring your
hard-drive. We need to have a chat.’ Ask Pete Townshend how that goes.
How
come this person is exempt from prosecution? Because he’s been on the telly a
few times? What a great cover-up for a pedophile – oh, I’m above the law and I
can do this, because … well, because WHAT Mark?? What exactly is your interest
in all these little children anyway? And why do you need to do this? Who asked
you to?
- August 14, 2013 at 17:20
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I’ve been reflecting on this one a bit and, as ever, have an alternative
take on the matter to put forward
Moor’s article is good, and points out more than a few problems re MWT. No
two ways about that. Many of the comments make very valid points. However,
taking this post along with the our hostess very worth prior articles, I’m
just a bit chary about which ‘ball’ the ‘team’ here, if I might call the
regulars here, is kicking, and where the goal is.
There are a number of possibilities as to the nature of the ball:
MWT himself
The damage being done to the justice system, and his part in
that
The misinformation being fed to a potentially gullible public and it’s
impact
There are other balls that have bounced on and off the park in prior games,
all of which have cropped up in prior posts by the hostess, and responses by
those commenting
The detrimental impact that all this hysteria is having on the population
in general, and the development of normal relationships between adults and
children,
The puritanical push to conflate these issues with adult to adult
contact, relationships, and behaviours
The opportunism of every Tom or
Thomasina, Dick or Muffin, Harry or Harriet, now crawling out of the woodwork,
trying to play this to further their own agendas
The frightening
scaremongering – I meant to write that – being shovelled out by the ‘Abuse
Industry’
The mediocrity of MSM’s journalism and content which might seem,
at times, to on border on sheer mendaciousness, particularly as they try to
use this in their own interests, trying to scaremonger as they counter the
threat to themselves from internet use, social media and alternative news and
opinion provision
As for the ‘goal’, what is that again?
Is it getting MWT sent off the field of play, because he’s possibly a
prat?
Is it, as our hostess has said on more than one occasion, ultimately
making sure that the public’s perception does not get as warped, through
boredom and incredulity and disbelief, that it gets bored of, and ignores the
kids out there who are suffering real abuse
There are other possibilities, but the list could be as long as your arm.
Those are key to this comment
The trouble is, despite his approach to this, I reckon MWT may well have
the right aim, insofar as that might be generalised as children’s welfare.
That’s hopefully fair common ground. My concern is that, as put forward here
and in many other places, the way he seems to play the game is such that he’s
not the sort of person I would want on my team, or playing in any league that
I had a place in. Think of it being a bit like the problem Brendan Rogers has
with Luiz Suarez – except that he’s probably not in the same league as Suarez’
as regards natural talent for the game .
Sure, he goes on the field, to try to help the team to win, but in many
respects it looks, admittedly from a viewpoint in the stands, pretty ugly to
watch how he goes about it. And it’s not acceptable in the game’s society, or
within the standards and rules of the game, as understood by the players or
those spectators who see those as having some sort of relevance to how things
should be done on a civilised basis
But the fans don’t like it when kicking 7 bells out of your team mates
seems to get to be more important than remembering to kick the ball and put it
in the goal. This is not an apologia for MWT. Sure, a lot of the things said
above do need said, the manager and the owners need to be told, but how it’s
done matters too. There’s room for humour, but too much bile or shrewishness
isn’t pretty
I sometimes feel a bit edgy, and I emphasise ‘feel’ as this sort of thing
just can’t be absolutely objective, that on occasions the ‘team’ here is in
danger of lapsing from its own highminded standards. And I’m only taking the
bother and risk of saying so, because whatever weight it can have elsewhere
could get damaged as a result. Given how important this all is, that really
does matter.
Just saying.
Probably very badly. I’ll maybe get a kicking for it too. A
bit like Scotland probably also will this evening. Sometimes, it feels like
there’s no winning. LOL
- August 14, 2013 at 17:27
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I think that is very fair comment Ho Hum, my own priority is “the damage
being done to the justice system, and his part in that” as you put it. He
has ‘infantilised’ what is a very serious subject, and by his cult of
personalisation – the ‘I am your saviour’ act, ‘suffer the little children
that no one else is listening to, to come unto me’ he is collecting a cast
of followers who haven’t actually been abused in any sense that the man on
the Clapham omnibus would recognise, and by putting them in a central
position, either through ego, a desire for a career, or just plain misguided
– he is doing a great disservice to all the genuinely abused children
everywhere who must now fight for attention in the midst of middle aged
women who just want someone to blame for their wasted lives.
- August 14, 2013 at 17:30
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Fine. More power to your elbow then, or as it’s your pen that is
mightier than the sword, your wrist and digits
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August 14, 2013 at 17:31
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and Moor’s
- August 14, 2013 at 21:56
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@Ho Hum
If you check out my blogs, and that’s a challenge as
they number over 150….
…. but may I suggest the use of the search function and the term:
“williams-thomas”
I have generally avoided “playing the man”, and his name largely
crops up only as “the producer of Exposure”. In fact, the reason I
blogged here and not on my own blog was because Anna has the “higher
calling”, and his mendacious ways outside of the lying he has promoted
about Jimmy Savile are not part of my blog’s interest or [my
self-appointed] terms of reference and I am very sensitive to not
being part of some idle character assassination.
This also relates to the rather different situations we inhabit. He
is pursuing his career in the flesh whereas I am pursuing my current
hobbyhorse via my (long-standing and exclusive) web-id, so there is a
fundamental imbalance there anyway. However I feel this imbalance all
the time and so Fiona, MWT and all these other characters I have to
write about from the “Media” are just characters in the story I am
piecing together. I care nothing about them one way or the other –
although they annoy me at times. I wish none of them ill on any
personal level because that would be inappropriate as it is not
“personal” to me. As I have said many times, I was never a fan of
Savile or had much interest in him, but as someone upthread suggested,
I do believe the wholesale lying going on in the top echelons of two
of the pillars of our Establishment – police and press – have taken on
a whole new dimension. I am very used to one or other pillar lying,
but in the past each pillar has always held the other to account – now
they are lying hand in hand. That is probably my overall concern, but
as I have pursued the facts, I have also become a little evangelical
about the wrong being done to the memory of a man who may not have
been perfect, but who generally tried to do good, and unlike most the
rest of the celeb world, he DID DO an awful lot of good – provably. It
is almost devilish that he of all dead celebs has been picked on for
this exercise in rewriting history.
May I also add how impressed I was to see rabbitaway clearly
demonstrating their attempt at balance too – human empathy for a
person they have absolutely no reason to “speak up” for other than
that they are human too.
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August 14, 2013 at 22:23
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@ Moor Larkin August 14, 2013 at 21:56
Hi Moor.
Couldn’t agree more on your querying the veracity of the ‘two
pillars’.
Otherwise, I am aware of your blog, and the clinical dissection
that you are undertaking there of this whole sorry story, even if I
don’t have time to read/follow it with the degree of regularity, or
give it the attention to detail, that it probably deserves to do it
justice. When this all broke, it did seem a tad odd, and, as well as
read through the published reports, I did a scour of the web myself,
insofar as that is possible, and all I could find was one comment
about someone seeing JS off after an unfortunate encounter with his 19
year old girlfriend. There was very little smoke to be seen anywhere.
But I couldn’t devote the time and effort to going through all this in
the forensic manner that you seem to have, and we should all be
grateful for your efforts in that regard
Regardless, please rest assured that I don’t for a minute see your
work and efforts, nor this particular post, as in any way indicating
that you are really wearing the wrong sort of boots……
- August 14, 2013 at 22:53
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Ho Hum wrote a very fair and considered post re ‘playing the ball’
and, its not the first time he/she has done so. For my own part I’d
contend that Mark Williams-Thomas is no more ‘on the right side’ than
anyone really. His interest is purely commercial. To drum up business
for his ‘child protection’ business he needs to create a perception of
risk and danger. This he does, on a daily basis. I can’t feel that
criticism of him is in any way inconsistent or in conflict with my own
wish for people, young and old, to be safe from, or to be rescued from
harm. In fact I am upset that the police service’s limited resources
are being wasted on all the nonsense begun by Williams-Thomas, and on
behalf of the police I feel aggrieved that not only has he taken many
of them away from real policing, but has slated and defamed them into
the bargain. Live by the sword, and all that. He started it.
To put MW-T into perspective – he is the polar opposite of Jimmy
Savile, save to say that probably neither has abused anyone. One
worked and kept a bit back, handing over most of his earnings for the
good of others. The other is running a business, for profit. He’s
doing well, and so are the lawyers.
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August 14, 2013 at 15:49
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He doesn’t have the PhD Margaret. He has yet to present and then defend his
dissertation. That takes more than Mark has, imo.
- August 14, 2013 at 09:09
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Then I found these
Mark’s recent programs include Exposure: ‘On the Run’ which was broadcast
on Monday 24th October on ITV1. As well as BBC One Show ‘Facebook’ and on
ITV
http://www.schoolspeakers.co.uk/ultimate-package.html?speakers&id=62
To be fair
Mark has dyslexia and left school with very few qualification
having found school work particular difficult.
Pages on numerous sites list his tv credits inc ‘Facebook’ – unless it’s a
different facebook issue …. who knows
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August 14, 2013 at 10:30
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Apparently he is able to to complete a PhD – but maybe that’s through
talking.
- August 14, 2013 at 10:35
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‘Masters of Art’? Apparently still has problems with reading and
writing.
Or should this read ‘Master of Art’?
- August 14, 2013 at 08:53
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Does anyone know what – IF anything is going on with this, I can’t find
anything recent in the press just 2010 stuff. Has this been hushed up and
what’s all this about a ‘cease and desist letter’ ?
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August 14, 2013 at 02:40
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““New child sexual abuse support group for members of police:
I am a
serving member of the Metropolitan Police Service and a survivor of childhood
rape. I am in the process of setting up a support organisation for police
officers who are survivors of child sexual abuse. The organisation will be
designed for people working in the Police Service throughout the UK. In order
to progress further, I would like to hear from officers or police civilian
staff who are dealing with or who have already dealt with their past issues,
and who are interested in becoming active members of such a support
organisation for colleagues. As survivors of abuse we all know through our own
experiences the difficulty and concerns in coming forward and the implications
of doing so, such as confidentiality, mental health issues, flashbacks,
depression, feeling alone and having no-one to talk to. There is no need to be
alone with it any more. It will be the aim of this support organisation to
support police officers and civilian staff who have suffered from any form of
childhood sexual abuse. The organisation will seek to promote the existence of
such victims within the Police Service in a bid to sustain a better quality of
life, and through our experiences to voice the needs of such victims/survivors
both inside and outside the police service.”
http://www.napac.org.uk/DOWNLOADS/2004-spring-newsletter.pdf”
Paging Mark Williams-Thomas.
- August 13, 2013 at 22:09
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No indication of how long tonight’s ITV1 offering has been postponed – just
“in a change to the scheduled programme, here’s The Secret Life Of Dogs.”
I wonder why “On The Run” was pulled?
I wonder if Facebook’s lawyers have been on the phone again after reading
this blog…?
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August 14, 2013 at 02:43
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You’d better believe a cease and desist letter went out at the very
least. Keep up the good work!
- August 13, 2013 at 21:17
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“Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe defended the
probe, Operation Yewtree, saying sex crime claims could not be ignored. He
said: “I don’t think it’s a witch hunt at all, we’re just going where the
evidence takes us and victims are making allegations. The alternative is to
ignore them, and if you look at Yewtree the broad allegation is that they have
been ignored for 20, 30 years and if we were to ignore them now that would
just compound the issue.”
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/uk/yewtree-no-witch-hunt-met-chief-29495662.html
“The broad allegation”..??.. Made by whom exactly? Well, by Operation
Yewtree mainly because if these dominoes still believe the Duncroft stories
then they must be the worst detectives since Inspector Clouseau.
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August 13, 2013 at 21:46
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Talking of the Duncroft stories, especially re the Daily Mirror refusing
to run the story when the Old Duncroftians refused to swear under oath to
the truth of their stories, a very similar thing happened when Leeds United
goalie Gary Sprake publicly alleged that Don Revie, erstwhile manager of
Leeds United and England soccer teams, paid bribes to opponents to lose
games, only to refuse to repeat the allegations under oath. (Of course , he
might have been threatened by persons unknown and thought the better of
it.)
From Wikipedia:
“Since retiring Sprake has undergone seven operations on his back. He
subsequently kept his profile low, returning to his native Wales. He was
offered £7,500 by the Daily Mirror to make allegations against former Leeds
manager Don Revie and club captain regarding match-fixing, however refused
to repeat the allegations under oath in court.”
Perhaps Scotland Yard could look into these historic matters again.
- August 13, 2013 at 18:44
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MWT is a bona fide pillock, on the evidence presented here… but then we
already knew that!!
- August 13, 2013 at 19:45
- August 13, 2013 at 17:20
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Bit late to this bunfight, but if the she had been Cher, he’d have had an
alibi both shagging or shooting. After all, she sang…
. “Come on baby show me what that loaded gun is for”
in ‘Just like Jesse James’
BTW, Good post, Moor. A nice bit of additional perspective, adding to the
build up of the overall picture
- August 13, 2013 at 19:42
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Thanks HoHum.
It was an honour to serve at the bar and a pleasure to
give the landlady a day off…
- August 13, 2013 at 15:03
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- August 13, 2013 at 15:10
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The Big Fraud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxhuUdZzGYw
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August 13, 2013 at 15:18
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Brilliant Moor
- August 13, 2013 at 14:53
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Who Shot the Sheriff?
- August 13, 2013 at 14:55
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Is that a gun in your pocket or are you pleased to see me?
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August 13, 2013 at 14:57
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Go on Punk – Mark my day
- August 13, 2013 at 14:59
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Facebook him Danno
- August 13, 2013 at 14:24
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Here we go guys and gals ……. I’ll start – Shot Shag Shot Shag Shot Shag
The Shotshag redemption no less
- August 13, 2013 at 14:25
- August 13, 2013 at 14:22
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Whilst I’m not by any means a regular visitor to his twitter site – this
did make me smile
Mark Williams-Thomas @mwilliamsthomas 7h
Astonishing : Armed PC who had sex with woman while on duty keeps his job –
because he could still reach gun.
I wonder if his ‘gun’ was near his hip on on one of them fancy shoulder
holster things – I don’t know why folk are complaining – perhaps they wouldn’t
be so cross if he’d shot her instead
- August 13, 2013 at 10:05
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His programme’s been pulled at the last minute for “legal reasons”…
Sure DLT would have something to say about that!!!
- August 13, 2013 at 10:21
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Google cache here:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:vOmQ4csSaTwJ:www.itv.com/presscentre/ep1week33/run+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk
- August 13, 2013 at 10:29
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It just seems like a common-or-garden ITV ‘sploitation documentary, to
be honest.
- August 13, 2013 at
10:31
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“The team uses a false name – Lucy Cooper – to befriend him and gain
access to his friends and pictures. Mark , a former police detective,
says: “Through the Facebook account, I made the decisive breakthrough. I
cultivated a contact close to Persechino. This person knows some of his
movements since he went on the run.”
Interesting in the light of yesterday – here is Mark back on Facebook
posing as a woman again……
It’s getting to be an unhealthy habit!
- August 13, 2013 at 15:07
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@ here is Mark back on Facebook posing as a woman again @
Let’s hope one day he gives us some facts.
Just the facts
ma’am.
- August 13, 2013 at 03:59
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Apologies, Slow it is then!
- August 13, 2013 at 03:56
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Am I being slow, or just missing something here?
“At 19.48 hours on Tuesday 9th March I sent amended copy to the
interviewing journalist at the Daily Mail in which I had made small but
significant changes to the copy she had sent to me which I read at 19.21,
including removing the word Facebook ….”
“Williams-Thomas insists that he was not using Facebook but had been using
another, unspecified social network.”
So he did use Facebook, originally wrote the story with Facebook in it,
decided later he’d better change that in case he got sued, then pretended he’d
never said Facebook, (he didn’t do it, it wasn’t him, he wasn’t there, and he
has a note from his mum to prove it which he wrote in his little black book,
back-dated, when they started to sue him – so there!)
At what point is someone going to shut this pathological narcissistic liar
up?
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August 13, 2013 at 01:53
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I’m likely the one person here who has actually had a rather long telephone
conversation with Mark, back when Fiona first went fishing on the social
network sites for other Duncroftians who might step up and support Karin
Ward’s peculiar book, and, like Anna, I was completely taken aback by the
allegations these women were making. My first reaction was to simply
disbelieve it. Mark told me that everyone was entitled to their own opinion
and that was his story and he was sticking to it. I went public, so to speak,
that I thought this was a gigantic hustle, with the Savile Estate squarely in
the cross hair. I got raked for that, banned from some little Duncroft FB page
they had set up – selling t-shirts and coffee mugs, if you can believe it –
constantly attacked on Careleavers and Friends (or is that Fiends?) Reunited,
by what appeared to be a very small amount of people with a lot of false
identities. I tried to give these harpies the benefit of the doubt, and tried
to believe what they were claiming, but the truth always comes out – Bebe
Roberts and her specious claim to the Mail, Fiona and the forged letter for
starters – let alone Fiona was communicating with me under a false identity,
which was inadvertently revealed. Fiona continues her campaign against me, or
was until recently. Now, hoist again on her own petard, she has fallen silent.
Once you tell a lie, all your statements become suspect, then you might
fall victim to your own nonsense. Thus it has always been.
One of my favorite cautionary poems from the pen of Hillaire Belloc:
Matilda Who told Lies, and was Burned to Death:
Matilda told such Dreadful Lies,
It made one Gasp and Stretch one’s
Eyes;
Her Aunt, who, from her Earliest Youth,
Had kept a Strict Regard
for Truth,
Attempted to Believe Matilda:
The effort very nearly killed
her,
And would have done so, had not She
Discovered this
Infirmity.
For once, towards the Close of Day,
Matilda, growing tired of
play,
And finding she was left alone,
Went tiptoe to the
Telephone
And summoned the Immediate Aid
Of London’s Noble
Fire-Brigade.
Within an hour the Gallant Band
Were pouring in on every
hand,
From Putney, Hackney Downs, and Bow.
With Courage high and Hearts
a-glow,
They galloped, roaring through the Town,
‘Matilda’s House is
Burning Down!’
Inspired by British Cheers and Loud
Proceeding from the
Frenzied Crowd,
They ran their ladders through a score
Of windows on the
Ball Room Floor;
And took Peculiar Pains to Souse
The Pictures up and
down the House,
Until Matilda’s Aunt succeeded
In showing them they were
not needed;
And even then she had to pay
To get the Men to go
away,
It happened that a few Weeks later
Her Aunt was off to the
Theatre
To see that Interesting Play
The Second Mrs. Tanqueray.
She
had refused to take her Niece
To hear this Entertaining Piece:
A
Deprivation Just and Wise
To Punish her for Telling Lies.
That Night a
Fire did break out–
You should have heard Matilda Shout!
You should have
heard her Scream and Bawl,
And throw the window up and call
To People
passing in the Street–
(The rapidly increasing Heat
Encouraging her to
obtain
Their confidence) — but all in vain!
For every time she shouted
‘Fire!’
They only answered ‘Little Liar!’
And therefore when her Aunt
returned,
Matilda, and the House, were Burned.
- August 13, 2013 at 09:36
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August 13, 2013 at 12:13
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‘The truth is singular- but lies have many faces.’ Sorry don’t know its
source – picked it up from a report into false compo claims in Shelbourne
Nova Scotia. FOI disclosure – redacted. It fed into the Kaufmann report.
- August 13, 2013 at 14:52
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‘Fiends’ reunited, lol
- August 13, 2013 at 00:34
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ITV.com just comes back with “Page Not Found” when you try to look it up…
Oh me, oh my!
I’d be interested to know why this has been pulled. Could this be another
Newsnight-style “cover-up”?
Or could it be a question of evidence – the real reason that infamous
Newsnight special never went ahead?
I think we should be told. (Apologies to M. Larkin)
- August 12, 2013 at 23:55
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Oh, no why could that be???????? Will MWT be making his own headlines I
wonder?
- August 12, 2013 at 22:41
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What price a Question Time-esque audience/panel discussion – preferably on
live TV – where members of the public could put questions to MWT & Co
about the Yewtree “investigations”?
“EXPOSURE – ONE YEAR ON” should get people tuning in for a chance to wave
those flaming pitchforks.
And what a surprise when it turns out the audience contains a decent-sized,
vocal number of people who have actually researched a “case for the defence”
and aren’t afraid to dish out a grilling over the shaky foundations of the
Savilegate “prosecution”.
After all, if the gent who is the subject of today’s post is sure in his
convictions, he can’t reasonably refuse, can he…?
- August 12, 2013 at 23:06
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Never mind the audience, I wanna be on the bloody Panel!….
On a moor serious note, here’s what the family asked for, on Exposure,
and their request was about as close as they ever got to a “right of reply”…
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Cjw03bSXC1g/UanN4UtVjYI/AAAAAAAACNs/BbmsFP-STwk/s1600/image002.jpg
- August 12, 2013 at 23:39
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Oh Dear.
Mark Williams-Thomas @mwilliamsthomas 3m
Frustratingly
my prog ‘On the Run’, which was due to be shown tomorrow at 9pm on ITV1
has been postponed for legal reasons
- August 13, 2013 at 13:15
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In our dreams x
- August 12, 2013 at 21:20
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Phrew – well done Moor 94 comments already – I’m busy writing otherwise I’d
join in
- August 12, 2013 at 21:24
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Yeah, but about fifty of them seem to be mine………….
Time
is on your side my furry friend…..
- August
12, 2013 at 20:07
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I think I found MW-T’s training manual on how to behave like a little girl
on faceboob:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APG0rNedEwk
- August 12, 2013 at 20:11
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Watching that show-reel Faecebook bit – it’s so ‘Brasseye’ it could
almost be a parody. Do you think he thought Brasseye was real?
- August 12, 2013 at 21:22
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Many people still think the Savile/Sarah Cornley outtake from “Have I
Got news For You” is real. I often come across vox-pop references to
it.
Oddly enough, I don’t think Chris Morris ever “got it” himself. He was
lampooning a paedogeddon but kept showing pre-pubescent children, whereas
if he had really understood what was developing then he should have had 14
and 15 year old teenagers because it’s quite evident now that angst about
this age-group was what was driving the prime-movers behind the scenes.
Bryn Estyn/Kincora is all about teenagers not kiddies. Strangely, if
Morris had been squeezing fourteen year old girls into filing cabinets
then maybe the British people would have grasped what had somehow become
“children” whilst they were looking the other way.
- August 12, 2013 at 22:01
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Many people still think the Savile/Sarah Cornley outtake from
“Have I Got news For You” is real
The one where he purportedly gets slagged off as a Fiddler? Here’s
the weird thing. I can remember seeing it. I can remember sitting
watching it on a web video thinking “how the hell did they get away with
this?”. And I only disovered it’s a fake transcript when I went looking
for it again (because I remembered watching it) when the Savilocalypse
erupted. And then found out it doesn’t exist.
I have to assume that some time years ago I read the transcript and
my brain has constructed an entire memory of seeing the actual outtake
around that.
Which makes me trust the reliability of memory even less.
- August 12, 2013 at 19:53
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This is interesting – I knew I had seen it somewhere but have just found it
again
In the BBC history I sent you http://www.bbc.co.uk/search/news/?q=%22Mark%20Williams-Thomas%22&sort=reversedate&video=on&audio=on&text=on
There is a news article dated 4th August 2007 called “Child protection
system ‘failing’”
In it Mark Williams-Thomas says in paragraph 5 :-
Mr Williams-Thomas, a former police detective who runs a child protection
consultancy, has spent 15 years in the field, including working on the Sarah
Payne and Jonathan King inquiries.
The enquiry into the murder of Sarah Payne was a Sussex Police enquiry as
she was abducted in Sussex – The Deputy Senior Investigating Officer was
Detective Chief Inspector Martyn Underhill.
Mark Williams-Thomas was a
SURREY Police officer and could not be involved in a Sussex Police
enquiry.
I know Sara Payne quite well and she said that she did not
remember Mark Williams -Thomas being involved either.
p.s. Mark is claiming
15 years experience in this article too and as it was written in 2007 he must
have started in Child Protection in 1992
- August 12, 2013 at 19:51
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This is interesting;
There is also a news article ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/) dated 4th August 2007 called “Child
protection system ‘failing’”
In it Mark Williams-Thomas says in paragraph 5 :-
“Mr Williams-Thomas, a former police detective who runs a child protection
consultancy, has spent 15 years in the field, including working on the Sarah
Payne and Jonathan King inquiries”.
The enquiry into the murder of Sarah Payne was a Sussex Police enquiry as
she was abducted in Sussex – The Deputy Senior Investigating Officer was
Detective Chief Inspector Martyn Underhill who does not remember Mark
Williams-Thomas who was a SURREY Police officer (NOT CID) and could not be
involved in a Sussex Police enquiry. Sara Payne has also said that she did not
remember Mark Williams -Thomas being involved either.
MWT is claiming 15
years experience in this article too and as it was written in 2007 he must
have started in Child Protection in 1992.
When he made the programme To Catch a Paedophile’ whey was he allowed to
view images at Interpol? He is not a Police Officer nor does he work in Child
Protection. Nor has he EVER worked in Child Protection. Freedom of Information
should be used to get to the bottom of the lies.
- August 12, 2013 at 20:01
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Strange how Sara Payne said that – Jonathan King says he wasn’t involved
in his case either.
http://www.kingofhits.co.uk/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=65&func=view&catid=2&id=88196
- August 12, 2013 at 21:06
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@ MWT is claiming 15 years experience in this article too and as it was
written in 2007 he must have started in Child Protection in 1992.
@
According to the duedil reference earlier he was born in 1970, so he
was 22 in 1992. I think you have to be 18 before joining the police and
reading around you can expect to have about two and a half years mentoring
before even becoming a Constable, but I guess that two years into
Constabulling you might be attached to some sort of child protection unit; I
guess any police-person by the very definition of the job is protecting
children.
Clearly all of us will telescope our experiences to put ourselves in the
best light but it seems odd that with all the fuss about CRB checks etc.,
organisations seem to just take these fellows at their word and not even
reflect slightly upon their claimed qualifications. I was a bit bemused when
the Media described that 30+ policeman who resigned to do Big Brother as a
“top cop”, but the media also like to flesh out their stories too I
guess.
Looks like he’s starting Celebrity Yewtree now btw…..
A JIMMY Savile probe cop who quit to go on Big Brother was censored by
the show — for boasting about having gay sex with a married A-list
celeb.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/5065160/Savile-cops-gay-fling-with-married-TV-star.html
- August 12, 2013 at 18:46
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I wish they would make up their minds! when it is a girl of 14 she is a
helpless child – as if! but a boy of the same age knows what he is doing and
should be punished as an adult. This is all very reminiscent of the ‘satanic
abuse’ mass hysteria and I suppose we are stuck with it until the next moral
panic. The first one I remember was about the gory American horror comics we
loved of course they banned them.
- August 12, 2013 at 19:01
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In my view, it IS the Satanic Ritual Abuse panic. It never ended.
It just changed focus slightly to rid itself of the more clearly barking mad
elements. This is one reason I’m so interested in all this. I started
following the SRA thing when it was at its height, for tangential reasons; I
was a pretty hysterically Dawkinsian Atheist back then (still an atheist,
less frothing now
so SRA seemed to be all about Evil Christian Fundies and so on, so I was
interested in it. I used to follow it in things like the Fortean Times (of
all places) and where possible MSM since there was no internets then and you
got your info, what little there was, where you could. So I also got to know
things like the Bogus Social Worker panics, and followed mythologies like
alien abduction, and I think that was how I started to develop this
realisation that our society is saturated with these panics, and how much
delusion and misinformation and so on there was, especially coming to
understand the Therapy Movement, “survivor” ideologies, and so on.
But what seems wrong to me is people think that SRA was debunked and is
over. It isn’t. It just changed form. It’s Protean. I remember hearing Jack
Straw on the radio when he was Home Secretary, talking about “grooming”- it
was the first time I had heard that now ubiquitous term used by an official,
and my blood ran cold, because I immediately recognised it from the SRA
mythos. It referred to young people drawn into the (imaginary) cult, or
raised as offerings to Satan, and so on. I probably remember that moment
listening to the wireless so clearly because that was the moment I realised
that the SRA ideology and promoters had gone mainstream in the UK, just with
“Satanic” scribbled out with a crayon.
- August 12, 2013 at 19:13
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You used to hear of couples “courting” a lot – now in relationships
it’s 1 predator who grooms 1 victim.
- August 12, 2013 at 19:34
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I missed the Satanic abuse panic, as I was overseas and never heard
about it, but I remember maybe around 1992 when I lived in Bermuda, a
small child with Down syndrome went missing and it was almost certain he
had fallen over dangerous rocks into the ocean close to his home, but
there was a local fundamentalist preacher who was certain he had been
abducted by Satanists. Sometimes movements get an impetus of their own and
can leap oceans.
“April 5, 1992: 4 year old Chaona Woolridge disappeared from her Cove
Valley, St. David’s home. The daughter of John and Donna Woolridge, the
young child had Downs syndrome. Due to her young age and the fact her
shoes were found in close proximity to the water, her case is generally
accepted to have been a disappearance, not a murder.”
http://bernews.com/2010/03/list-bermudas-unsolved-murders-disappearances/
I lived on Cove Valley Rd. myself and there was an extremely dangerous
rocky shore where the lava rocks were rough and razor sharp.
- August 12, 2013 at 19:52
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Having examined the Satanic Panic in more detail this year, I remain
stupefied that it happened at all. The conclusion I draw from it is that
there are still dark, irrational forces leading sensible people into
committing the most outrageous injustices.
In many ways, the fact that the ‘Satan’ bit was dropped from Satanic
Ritual Abuse makes it more insidious, because otherwise sensible people
start believing in nonsense. See, for example, the Shieldfield nursery
case. It had the same form as a classic SRA panic, but the Satan bit was
dropped. And so, sensible people, who rightly scoff at SRA, believed in
it.
http://www.richardwebster.net/speakofthedevil.html
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August 14, 2013 at 11:25
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Like the 14 year old in North Wales who sexually assaulted his
teacher!
- August 12, 2013 at 18:13
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Moor Larkin,
Re: “It’ll certainly test the mettle of the wimmin saying 14 is too
young…”
I think if I met a 14 year old that didn’t view physically forcing someone
to do something they really don’t want to do for no good reason (i.e for their
own good) as a bad thing to do i’d be worried about their mental health or up
bringing. You can tell your doing something wrong to somebody by the way the
other person responds to it can’t you?
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August 12, 2013 at 18:31
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I remember when I was 14 having a discussion with three of my peers as to
what would do if we knew that nuclear war was imminent and we would all be
killed. I think we were unanimous that we would shag the nearest girl or
woman, forcibly if necessary, so we would not die virgins. So much for the
innocence of the young bucks (as male lambs are called). Of course this was
just talk. I doubt whether we could have executed the plan. All four members
of the cabal subsequently had successful careers, two as doctors and one as
a well-known photographer.
The boy in this case was described by the court as “very vulnerable”.
What does this mean? Had he just heard his father was killed in Afghanistan,
or perhaps the boy only had one eye and would not do well in the lock-up? Or
maybe he is mentally retarded.
- August 12, 2013 at 18:35
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It is a bit hard now to remember exactly who said exactly what as this
was almost 50 years ago, but I don’t remember any discussion about how the
woman might feel about this. Nope, I am sure there wasn’t.
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August 12, 2013 at 22:25
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Jonathan Mason,
Re: “I don’t remember any discussion about how the woman might feel
about this. Nope, I am sure there wasn’t”
But this was all in theory, i’m sure you would have thought about it
if the situation actually arose and would have noticed if the woman
seemed reluctant or unwilling and be put off going through with it if
she was unwilling…
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August 12, 2013 at 19:24
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Johnathan Mason,
Re: “I remember when I was 14 having a discussion with three of my
peers as to what would do if we knew that nuclear war was imminent and we
would all be killed. I think we were unanimous that we would shag the
nearest girl or woman”
I over heard someone say that that’s what they’d do to me if the world
was about to come to an end (because I was the nearest female to hand,
lol) when I was at work when I was 15 – no called him a pervert, lol…
- August 12, 2013 at 20:24
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I remember a similar conversation, except we ended with the shared
hope that some kindly women would rape us
- August 12, 2013 at 18:03
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Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of he end. But it is,
perhaps, the end of the beginning.
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August 12, 2013 at 18:42
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This is the battle for Britain, not of Britain.
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August 12, 2013 at 18:55
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Totally agree, but it still applies. Lies is always uncovered and the
scum always floats to the surface. A brilliant piece by Moor today, I do
hope he digs deeper along with the other brilliant commentators on this
page. All hail the battle for Britain I say!
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August 12, 2013 at 18:02
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Erm, sorry to change the subject somewhat. Was Eddy Shah found not guilty,
or what? Why didn’t I read about that in The Mail?
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August 12, 2013 at 18:40
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- August 12, 2013 at 18:59
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Thank you. I cannot begin to imagine how I missed that. Was it on the
proverbial back page?
- August 12, 2013 at 16:37
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The other thing is, I wouldn’t be entirely surprised at a 14 year old
getting propositioned anyway. The question is what proportion of the
propositioners are teenagers themselves. I mean, there was a time when I was
entirely focussed on girls of 14, 15 etc because I was myself 14 or 15. Which
brings us back to the whole problem of confusing “minority” with “childhood”
and thus extending “paedophilia” to sexually mature young adults. What would
define paedophiles would be propositioning 8 year olds, but nobody ever seems
to pretend to be one of them, do they?
- August 12, 2013 at 16:41
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Not sure if this story has made the massed media:
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/campaigners_hit_out_as_14_year_old_rapist_avoids_custodial_sentence_1_2316594
- August 12, 2013 at 16:52
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I suppose the idea in this kind of case is to try to avoid a custodial
sentence to try to head off the possibility that the young person enters
into an academy of crime and becomes a career criminal. Perhaps it is
worth a shot if the youth is suitably repentant and shows some promise.
Not sure where it fits in with the climate of revenge for the victim
rather than helping the offender in the current UK judicial climate.
- August 12, 2013 at 16:56
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It’ll certainly test the mettle of the wimmin saying 14 is too
young……
I
guess the raped woman is lucky she’s not being prosecuted for assault
herself………
- August 12, 2013 at 18:10
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As usual, there is insufficient reporting to know the whole truth
of the situation. There is no report that he was also found guilty of
breaking and entering, so perhaps he was already sleeping in the same
building? Why? Was it in a hotel or some other communal facility, or
in her home? We never get the relevant details in press reports. Maybe
this is because the details are never released in press releases.
- August 12, 2013 at 16:56
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“When children commit adult crimes they should face adult justice. A
14-year-old boy knows what he is doing.”
But not if it’s a 14 year old girl leading a man on, apparently, that’s
victim blaming. Funny thing is, most people think girls mature a bit
faster than boys. But apparently not in the responsibility for their own
actions stakes, so when a teenage girl knowingly induces a crime, she’s
not responsible. Very odd.
- August 12, 2013 at 18:14
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It’s this sort of hell we are striding towards – and given we mimick
America like the vile 51st State we are it can only be a matter of
time
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/year_apartment_girl_arrested_complex_LnQ1qOZV83A3MdptsfM2pN
Another point is this: If you speak to an “old school copper” about
paedophiles they will tell you: generally clusters of homosexual men –
indeed what was uncovered in the sad case of Christopher Laverack was an
underground network of them – and then some. It isn’t an exaggerated
myth, the police stumbled over iffy public figures in the course of
their investigations, and this is usual. Now Christopher happened to be
the same age as me, indeed he went to a Junior School not far from where
I lived that formed one of the other feeder schools to the comprehensive
I attended, and I friends later on who had been friends with him (albeit
he went missing from the seedy side of town at the other side of the
city)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2182090/Uncle-named-1984-child-killer-Christopher-Laverack-murderer-Melvyn-Read-trapped-pollen-spores.html
I
can’t remember anyone behaving hysterically. At all – even though my own
father was working on a horrible murder case of a boy the same age of
his own son… Ditto there was a barber who had convictions for kiddie
fiddling that had a salon along the local row of shops where I lived. I
was told “do not go there or stop there, he is a bad man” – and that’s
all I needed to know. No pitchforks or petrol bombs, no smoking the
bastard out – just be careful.
Indeed, the widespread belief that it
was always homosexuals was still predominant 13 years ago when it aided
the wrongful conviction of Jonathan King at the start of this celebrity
paedo-panic.
Fast-forward back to 2013, and paedophilia is now used
to describe what used to be womanising.
Funny that, isn’t it. The New
Labour Brainwashing Years worked. So, were the rumours about Peter and
Gordon and Anthony Charles Lynton “and others” really true? It makes me
wonder…
- August 12, 2013 at 18:39
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No, the girl was 13, the boy 14, so not the same thing at all, except
that she looked and acted older, we are told. However the age of
criminal responsibility is 10 in the UK, so potentially she could have
been charged with inciting an unlawful sexual act. Wouldn’t that be a
turn up for the book if they were both locked up?
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August 12, 2013 at 18:48
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Jonathan, I’m not sure that you’ve got my point. It’s the
inconsistency that says that a person under 16 isn’t responsible for
their actions, unless they commit a criminal act, in which case they
are. The Law can’t (or shouldnt’) have it both ways.
But it’s really all just about sex, of course. A woman who gets
drunk and drives a car is responsible. A woman who gets drunk and has
sex, isn’t.
And so on.
- August 12, 2013 at 16:30
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Just to contextualise this kinda thing and how long it’s been going on,
does everyone here know the tale of WT Stead, the Pall Mall Gazette and Eliza
Armstrong, the “Maiden Tribute Of Babylon”? If not, it’s well worth
reading up on.
But in a nutshell, the First Wave Sex Panicky Fems believed in/made up for
campaign purposes a mythical “white slave trade” (now revived as the mythical
“sex trafficking”) where nice English girls were being kidnapped by swarthy
foreigners and sold to brothels. Stead, the first “tabloid” editor- think Paul
Daycare with whiskers- decided to expose it in order to push the Age Of
Consent Law through parliament on a wave of hysteria. Problem was, there
weren’t any white slaves that seemed to actually exist. So he procured one
himself; lied to the mother that she was going to a respectable servant job,
got himself (for some unfathomable reason) drunk(!), and took her off to a
brothel. Then reported it in with “lurid” termed up to 11, while neglecting to
mention that he himself was the one doing the kidnapping.
Eventually it came out, and he did a jail term for it, but by then the law
was through parliament and, well, here we are.
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August 12, 2013 at 15:35
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Could someone not try to reproduce the Facebook (or other social network)
experiment of placing a profile of a teenage girl and waiting to see how long
it is before “she” is approached by pervs.
It is very odd that MWT does not want to given the name of the social
networking site he used. Although it might attract perverts, equally they
could be prosecuted and the site could be taken down.
In my opinion most of these social networking sites are disgusting, for
example the comments on videos on YouTube are so frequently obnoxious and
obscene, so there must be millions of pervert/trolls posting. If one is going
to use the Internet at all, one simply needs to be able to filter out the
crazies ho are everywhere.
Also note the bizarre claim that the young girl Hannah Smith who committed
suicide allegedly because of insulting messages on Ask.com may have posted the
insults herself under aliases, or that someone in her own household may have
done it. Will the truth ever come out?
- August 12, 2013 at 14:43
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Meanwhile, over at Johnathan Kings blog,
http://ww3.wandsworth.gov.uk/news/pressreleasedetail.asp?id=1320
Surely, not the same MWT?
- August 12, 2013 at 14:49
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It’s astonishing to discover that MWT has done socially useful work since
leaving the police.
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August 12, 2013 at 14:54
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@corevalue
well spotted, whomever did the spotting. Yep, same person, so it would
seem:-
https://www.duedil.com/company/03887121/gumfighters-uk-limited/people
First venture upon leaving the police? (I had to laugh at the report of him
‘approaching and recruiting school children’)
- August 12, 2013 at 15:24
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“Pardon me Boy,
Is that the Prat-the-”Chewing-Gum-Shoe”?
Track 29
Da dum da dum”
- August 12, 2013 at 18:49
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There’s gonna be
A certain party at the station
A old Surrey
cop
With a slight fringe on top
http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1360964.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Mark%20Williams%20Thomas-1360964
- August 12, 2013 at 14:15
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Hmm, this may or may not be interesting, but I gather from the time of
Rabbitaway’s first comment that this article by Moor Larkin went up sometime
prior to 7:05 am today.
The tweet below by Mark Williams-Thomas, suggesting
that young people don’t much use Facebook (the implication being…. what
exactly?) was posted around the 9:00 am sort of time.
I also looked on his
soopah doopah new ‘international’ website, and can only see a tiny handful of
videos available. Now I happened to look on the same website a few days ago,
and noticed there were lots and lots of videos then. Either I aren’t
navigating my way around the site properly today, or some have been suddenly
removed.
Mark Williams-Thomas @mwilliamsthomas 5h
RT @BBCClick: I’m 13 and None
of My Friends Use Facebook http://on.mash.to/1cgTz44 <what a fresh take on
social media through 13 yr old eyes
- August 12, 2013 at 14:32
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“A judge who caused outrage after he described a child sex abuse victim
as “predatory” has slightly increased the suspended sentence of her
attacker.
Judge Nigel Peters re-sentenced 41-year-old Neil Wilson at Snaresbrook
Crown Court in Wanstead this morning in the wake of a storm of controversy
surrounding the case last week.
He increased Neil’s sentence from eight months to one year – but still
suspended.”
I’ve no doubt we will hear the ex-Policeman’s Bawl shortly….
- August
12, 2013 at 15:06
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- August 12, 2013 at 13:50
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oops – should have added ‘out of my mind’ after ‘can’t get’
- August 12, 2013 at 13:29
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I’ve noticed a trend in the mainstream media – especially with regards to
journalists inserting words into peoples statements. One that stood out a mile
when Jonathan King was being hung, drawn & quartered was one of his
“victims” stating thus:
“I was just a typical young lad when I met him. I
did things normal teenagers did, like hedgehopping”
HEDGEHOPPING? What’s
that teenage pursuit, not one I remember. But of course, one of Jonathan
King’s early hits was by a band called Hedgehoppers Anonymous. Contrived??
Completely.
Mainstream journalism has long been a game, a pisstake play on
words by smug rabble rousers.
Is Our Mark trying to project his little
media game onto a dead man – the “predator” hiding behind a cloak of
do-goodery, fooling everyone?
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August 12, 2013 at 13:49
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All I will reply to that, Chris, is that I personally have found it
impossible to watch MW-T on tv since the spurious Exposure program. Can’t
get the repulsive image of him sitting there (as a civilian and, to my mind
having no business at all to be doing so) asking intimate questions of the
alleged ‘victims’. Too creepy. Looked pervy to me.
- August 12, 2013 at 14:53
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It’s Good News Week!! I used to have that 45. I can still remember the
lyric
It’s Good news Week
Someone’s dropped a bomb
somewhere
Contaminating atmosphere
And blackening the sky……….
- August 12, 2013 at 15:11
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It’s good news week
Lots of blood in Asia now
They’ve butchered
up the sacred cow
They’ve got a lot to eat
- August 13, 2013 at 15:14
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Remembered another verse whilst out walking
It’s Good News Week!
Someone’s made a pill to give
The rotting
dead the will to live
Go on and never die…
This was real Angry Young Man stuff…..
- August 12, 2013 at 15:17
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Chris: Well spotted re Hedgehopper’s Anonymous – a one-hit group long
forgotten even by most people who were around at the time and hardly likely
to be referenced by anyone younger.
Incidentally, for anyone who thinks
that “hedgehopping” in the group’s name might still be a reference to a
child’s sport, it actually refers, although I don’t know if it’s still in
use, to very low level flying. The group’s name was chosen because they were
all apparently former RAF types.
The song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttKHp6LNMss
- August 12, 2013 at 15:40
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@ Mainstream journalism has long been a game, a pisstake play on words by
smug rabble rousers. @
and pictures that tell a different story each
time….
http://jimcannotfixthis.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/recycling.html
- August 12, 2013 at 16:34
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I’m not sure if it’s helpful/relevant, but I can confirm that during my
misspent youth (mid 1980s) hedgehopping was a quite typical and normal
teenage thing for us to do, usually in the early evening as dusk
arrives.
It involves finding a row of front gardens that have a hedge dividing
each garden which are not much more than waist high and not the really
thorny kind, plus ideally they don’t have masses of sharp, hidden spikes or
wooden stakes within them.
Then, at a specific point in time, a group of us teenage boys would enter
one of the gardens and have a race that involved jumping (hopping)
over/through the hedges, then running away when the house owner angrily
banged on their window or chased us down the street.
A particularly good row of hedges for this sport would become known as
‘the grand national.’
If I heard someone saying that ‘hedgehopping was a normal teenage thing
to do back then,’ then I would have known exactly what they meant and I
would have agreed with them, therefore I’m not convinced that it’s to do
with the band or indicative of ‘play on words’. Hope this helps.
- August 12, 2013 at 17:20
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Agreed. I did it myself. It was normally done after dark when garden
ponds were an obstacle to be aware of.
- August 12, 2013 at 17:23
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I once lacerated my groin doing it because the bastard who lived in
that house had stretched wire inside the hedge.
I never did it again.
I just called it “jumping over hedges” however………….
I
used to own the record (maybe I still do!) but never associated the name
of the group with my previous activities. I just took it as one of those
groovy names that meant sweet fanny adams.
- August 12, 2013 at 13:23
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splendid work, Moor. So, the question(s) is/are: why did MW-T, following
the March 2010 debacle, go ahead with a video about Facebook in 2011? Why
haven’t Facebook heard about it? Is someone now bringing it to their
attention?
I agree with all the comments about MW-T and his actions, too numerous to
mention. But would just refer to the ‘why would he quit the police in the
first throes of an exciting new role in CID’ question, and say that I too have
always found that this is something that tends to happen to officers facing
disciplinary proceedings. Someone suggested it came soon after his reported
unsatisfactory conduct toward the family whose daughter went missing. I think
the blackmail arrest and charge came after a little time spent trying to forge
a new way to earn a living.
- August 12, 2013 at 13:42
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Your point about the dates is very interesting. He pushed the video the
Youtube over a year after the DM story was published, and it directly
contradicts his explanation for the error. What was he thinking? What is the
point of the video at all? This hasn’t been noticed before because until
today, hardly anybody watched the video.
“But would just refer to the ‘why would he quit the police in the first
throes of an exciting new role in CID’ question, and say that I too have
always found that this is something that tends to happen to officers facing
disciplinary proceedings.”
I venture to say you may well be correct. Even if he left CID for
innocuous reasons, in no sense can he be described as having had a good
career there.
- August 12, 2013 at 13:46
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There may be a clue to his exit may be here in this tale (already
highlighted by Anna in a previous articles’ comments)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/body-in-sea-thought-to-be-child-porn-teacher-1243446.html
http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/local-news/police-reassure-school-over-porn-4861013
-
August 12, 2013 at 11:05
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From about 40 seconds into the video:
“I loved my time in CID…”
So why did he quit so after early in his CID career?
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August 12, 2013 at 12:34
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It seems from doing some basic research regarding policing that if you
are facing a disciplinary hearing within the police you can avoid an
investigation by politely retiring from your post, that could be one reason
why somebody who has stated that he ‘loved his time’ in the CID would
suddenly quit so shortly after his promotion? The other possible option is
that he was pushed after being charged with blackmail ( I must note he was
acquitted in court of law of this charge).
@lucozade and rabbitaway
I totally agree with you MWT should not be able to look at or or child
abuse imagery, it makes me sick when he tweets about viewing such
imagery….he is no longer a police officer so he should do what all civilians
do ftgey came across these images….report them to the police!!!
- August 12,
2013 at 10:56
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“Williams-Thomas was reported as even having utilised his police
training by taking notes of his 24 hour day and who he had spoken to at
exactly what minutes of that day. “
Gosh! Is he going to be in the dock for exposing secret police
training..?
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August 12, 2013 at 10:48
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At first I thought a possible explanation was that MWT wanted to disguise
the fact he used Facebook and rather use the more general ‘Social Networking
Site’ to prevent legal issues, rather like Newsnight thought talking about ‘a
senior member of the Tory party’ would get them off the hook for libel.
However, after reading a bit more, it is clear that MWT is talking utter
nonsense. He must have either lied to someone, or did indeed find such images
on Facebook but did not report them to the authorities. I suggest the former
is more likely.
- August 12, 2013 at 10:25
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Talk about “hiding in clear sight”!
I find The Yew Seeker’s tweets as
fascinating as they are infuriating – he reveals his real hand all the time.
His mock rage at Eddie Shah yesterday (done in order to set his dogs off of
course) was very telling:
Mark Williams-Thomas @mwilliamsthomas 11 Aug
Eddy Shah is a disgrace. A
child can never consent. Yewtree is not a ‘witch hunt’ it has given strength
to so many victims 2 speak.
Mark Williams-Thomas @mwilliamsthomas 11
Aug
Eddy Shah has no idea of the detail of allegations being investigated
by Op Yewtree agst suspects. Incredible he dismisses them as emotions
Excuse me, but why is a civillian privvy to a supposed confidential police
operation?
Oh, silly me – because it’s HIS “police” operation, because it’s
a SHAM investigation – dreamed up by him and his co-conspiritators at The Met,
the NSPCC and the tabloids in order to create precedents with the Jimmy Savile
destruction derby. And on Twitter, this “child protection expert” spends an
inordinate amount of energy defending accusations by grown women about ageing
male celebrities.
Ditto his regular “criticism” tweets about the NSPCC, The Met and the CPS
(etc) – designed to portray him as some kind of independent maverick
‘Superman’. Ok then Mark – of course I believe ‘yew’! Here to fight for the
lickle childwen, he takes on everyone single-handed. What a hero.
Anybody
with half a brain this charlatan has to have considerable backing from
powerful organisations and individuals – no man is ‘maverick’ enough to know
the finer details of police operations (let alone dictating their agenda),
tickle the precise itches the NSPCC have by creating a new agenda of (phantom)
‘historic abuse’ and also infiltrate and quote the tabloid press – and well as
running roughshod over as many television and radio ‘legends’ as
possible.
He isn’t happy about with the Coronation Street cast supporting
William Roache and Michael Le Vell with their historic charges – and, lo and
behold!, the Murdoch press are ganging up on Corrie at any and every available
opportunity. Just a coincidence though, yeah? (just a coincidence too that
Greater Manchester Police are rivalling The Met with their appetite for the
poisonous evergreen I presume)
I would LOVE to know just who WT Associates have on their ledger books. It
doesn’t take a Super Sleuth – even one of the level of The Mighty Mark – to
imagine he’s on the payroll of News International and several other
organisations I may or may not have already mentioned.
-
August 12, 2013 at 11:33
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Who ran the support phonelines for Exposure?
- August 12, 2013 at 11:52
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@Margaret Jervis – I’m guessing that question is rhetorical but just in
case:
“….at the end of Exposure, there came what looked like a sponsors
message.”
http://jimcannotfixthis.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/the-insistence-of-memory.html
- August 12, 2013 at 16:31
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Thank you Moor, Not rhetorical at all. It was so well trailed I fell
asleep during the broadcast. NAPAC were essentially an NSPCC spin-off.
They used to be housed at Curtain Rd. Still have the same excitable
CEO.
- August 13, 2013 at 23:54
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“New child sexual abuse support group for members of police:
I
am a serving member of the Metropolitan Police Service and a survivor
of childhood rape. I am in the process of setting up a support
organisation for police officers who are survivors of child sexual
abuse. The organisation will be designed for people working in the
Police Service throughout the UK. In order to progress further, I
would like to hear from officers or police civilian staff who are
dealing with or who have already dealt with their past issues, and who
are interested in becoming active members of such a support
organisation for colleagues. As survivors of abuse we all know through
our own experiences the difficulty and concerns in coming forward and
the implications of doing so, such as confidentiality, mental health
issues, flashbacks, depression, feeling alone and having no-one to
talk to. There is no need to be alone with it any more. It will be the
aim of this support organisation to support police officers and
civilian staff who have suffered from any form of childhood sexual
abuse. The organisation will seek to promote the existence of such
victims within the Police Service in a bid to sustain a better quality
of life, and through our experiences to voice the needs of such
victims/survivors both inside and outside the police service.”
http://www.napac.org.uk/DOWNLOADS/2004-spring-newsletter.pdf
I wonder if any Freemasons joined…….
- August 12, 2013 at 11:54
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Well, would ‘yew’ Adam&Eve it….
10:16 PM, WED 21 NOV 2012
Jimmy Savile: NSPCC Helpline
details
Anyone affected by the issues raised in ITV1 Exposure Update:
The Savile Files can contact the NSPCC Helpline on 0808 800 5000 or their
local police force.
You can also contact the National Association for People Abused in
Childhood by calling 0800 085 3330.
The Helpline is open 10.00am-9.00pm Monday to Thursday and
10.00am-6.00pm on Fridays
- August 12, 2013 at 16:35
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Sorry Chris didn’t see your reply before replying to Moor’s. The
NSPCC are the experts in these claims referral matters and have
investigation specific dedicated helplines.
- August 12, 2013 at 22:29
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@ Margaret Jervis
To those of us who have followed all of Anna’s
blogs and those too of Moor Larkin, its NAPAC that is interesting on
that list. Peter Saunders has had articles devoted to him, notably for
his not quite consistent ‘back story’ and his infamous ‘the victims
shouldn’t get the compensation – it should come to me and my ‘charity’
instead, comment.
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August 12, 2013 at 14:56
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It could be just coincidence but the daily mail has a financial interest
in ITV, the very program that commissioned the ITV exposure of JS. Could it
be possible they have a vested interest in not discrediting the mighty MWT?
So many questions that need to be answered.
- August 12, 2013 at
15:23
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Then they might not be too pleased by the rumours that MWT is making a
programme about Coronation Street stars and child abuse……?
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August 12, 2013 at 16:05
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Not heard that rumour but I do find MWT a very dangerous man with
only his own interests and agendas as his motives. He has very little
regard for anyone other than himself. In my opinion exposure should
never have been made until the allegations had been proven (in a court
of law) rather than using it as propaganda to spread speculation and
innuendos. MWT uses these programmes to further his own career using
vulnerable people to pursue his own agendas and pocket.
- August 12, 2013 at 16:32
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@wellwisher
To be fair they were never going to get proved in a
court of law because Jimmy Savile was dead.
If it had not been for
the co-ordinated efforts of Operation Yewtree however, the exposure
programme would have just been a footnote in weird cheapo late-night
TV anyway, and dismissed as being as fraudulent as the first show in
that TV strand, which presented computer game footage as being
newsreel of an actual IRA operation.
“The error was originally
flagged up on internet forums by viewers and a clip from the show was
posted on YouTube but was later removed……… The material was clearly
labelled on screen as an IRA film from 1988 of the terrorist
organisation using weapons supplied by Gaddafi. At no point was it
presented as a simulation or recreation.”
http://jimcannotfixthis.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/nothing-like-truth.html
- August
12, 2013 at 16:45
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@moorlarkin
My point exactly, if it cannot be proven in a court of law then no
program should have been made, the dead cannot defend themselves and
each man or woman in this country should have a right to defend
themselves in a court of law in front of a jury of their peers, not
publicised for the manipulation and career benefits of MWT.
- August 12, 2013 at 08:56
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Thanks Moor, for more astute reportage.
Presumably you’ll receive the DM’s gratitude-payment in due course.
- August 12, 2013 at 10:36
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@Joe Public
Can’t hurt worse than what the BBC’s man said about me……..
“A
lot of bloggers seem to be socially inadequate, pimpled, single, slightly
seedy, bald, cauliflower-nosed, young men sitting in their mother’s
basements and ranting …the so-called citizen journalism is the spewings and
rantings of very drunk people late at night.”
http://themediablog.typepad.com/the-media-blog/2010/10/andrew-marr-1155111-10.html
Nice to be called young though………..
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August 12, 2013 at 11:43
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An interesting thesis by Marr which appears to be that truth is a
commodity that is only dispensed to the world by those who have the
appropriate physical and social characteristics—-the qualifications for
entry into MSM presumably —good job you are a looker Anna with a fine turn
of phrase and a credible pen name otherwise you blog could be dismissed on
those grounds —-with my nom de guerre of Fat Steve it stands to reason I
write nonsense,something I have always suspected but now courtesy of Marr
I know to be true —well it stands to reason given who Marr is.
Still Williams Thomas uses (rather unusually for a humble copper) a
double barrelled name so he is bound to be credible —or is the double
barrelled name another self generated puff as much of his CV appears to be
viz (from the Daily Mail Article)
I am vastly experienced in the field – I was a police detective
specialising in major crime and worked on some of the biggest murder and
paedophile investigations in the country, before gaining a masters in
criminology and setting up a child protection consultancy.
- August 12, 2013 at
11:59
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To be fair, you don’t have to look very far on the blogosphere to
find utter lunacy. Where Marr errs is that he ignores the fact that you
can also find good sense that corrects rubbish.
- August 12, 2013 at 12:01
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@Duncan Disorderly
That sounds like the Mass Media writ
small……….. especially just now……….
- August 12, 2013 at 12:06
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except @ good sense that corrects rubbish @ is nowhere to be found
in the Mass Media….
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August 12, 2013 at 12:22
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@Duncan Disorderly —As I am discovering you don’t have to stray
from MSM if you want utter lunacy —just MSM lunacy by its nature is
rather more pernicious since it is meant to be accountable (to whom?
what self regulation???) —in fact MSM is an institution no less—–and
so it has the patina of being the truth. The point of blogs is to
challenge received fact and wisdom rather than set up a different
reality unless that is you are attracted to the likes of David Icke
(spelling???)
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August 12, 2013 at 13:24
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do you have a cauliflower-nose? How does one obtain one ?
Wonder if
that BBC man wanders the streets peering into old ladies basements?. I
think we should be told.
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August 12, 2013 at 18:28
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mandrake,
Re: “do you have a cauliflower-nose? How does one obtain one ?”
Gout and/or drinking too much…
- August 12, 2013 at 08:15
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Re: “If there are horrific images of child abuse easily accessible on
Facebook why have Mark Williams-Thomas and the Daily Mail attempted to hide
this fact from the world by insisting their investigation was not using
Facebook?”
Because Facebook would have sued them, lol.
- August 12, 2013 at 07:45
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@ Then Jimmy Savile died and the media madness commenced. @
Not just the
media. The police role, guided by ACPO, seems just as pertinent.
I was reading a report about Eddy Shah’s comments yesterday and was struck
by something he said.
Mr Shah said he had been helping a “very well-known
person” charged by Operation Yewtree investigators …………. when he was accused
of rape.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/08/10/eddie-shah-abuse-claim_n_3737468.html
I had always understood his case was “entirely unrelated” to Yewtree, but
lo and behold there is a connection.
As the CPS like to say these days….
Join the Dots………
- August
12, 2013 at 10:58
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Shah is getting monstered by the usual suspects for his comments. It’s
all smoke and mirrors…
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August 12, 2013 at 07:37
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Idly wondering if he uses that old theatrical trick of getting in character
to pose as a 14 yr old – dressing the part?
- August 12, 2013 at 07:39
- August 12, 2013 at 07:03
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@Moor – everything’s ‘unspecified’ or anonymous with this guy. Why is this
guy allowed to view ‘horrific images’, he is not a police officer !
- August 12, 2013 at 07:23
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And here is his personal spokesperson denying that it could even be
possible to do this on Facebook – and yet there is Mark claiming to
have done just that:
Sylvia Tidy-Harris, a spokeswoman for
Williams-Thomas, said that the article had been credited to the
criminologist but had been edited from a telephone interview conducted with
the former detective by a Mail journalist.
“He has never, ever said it was Facebook. We have told Facebook that Mark
never said in any way shape or form that it was Facebook and it couldn’t be because you are not able to do that on
Facebook. Mark knows the chief security officer at Facebook, they met in
Dallas last year.”
Tidy-Harris said that Williams-Thomas had been filmed conducting his
experiment, originally done for another project, and had sent a link of the
film to the Mail journalist. The film made it clear the site used
was not Facebook, she said.
Must have been a different film eh?
- August 12, 2013 at
07:25
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Anybody want to take a bet on how long it will be before he removes
that Youtube clip?
– we do have a copy though….
- August 12, 2013 at 11:03
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That video is still there though..
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August 12, 2013 at 11:07
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Meant to say he does mention and show Facebook on the video too!
Why would he as a civilian be allowed to view disturbing images if
there were any? If that is the case he should be arrested..
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August 12, 2013 at 13:20
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yes I’ve copies for posterity.
Note the Mail says “now works as a
criminologist” which is slightly different to actually saying he is
one.
I actually have a formal complaint with the ABC in Australia re
MWT being introduced as a “criminologist and child protection expert”.
They are very strict about false qualifications so we shall see just
what his status actually is. I shall report back.
Kudos to Moor Larkin- what patience you have to do such diligent
research.
- August 12, 2013 at 13:07
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At the end of the Independent article:
“Asked why Williams-Thomas
has not identified the site on which he conducted his experiment, she
said: “The reason he does not want to do that is because he does not want
there to be another opening for paedophiles to head straight for.”
Aye, right. He was happy to name Facebook so that all the paedophiles
could head there, but this other site can’t be named lest all the
paedophiles head there. What’s that smell?…
- August 12, 2013 at
13:11
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“What’s that smell?…”
Fresh bullshit.
- August 12, 2013 at
17:55
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Oh do come on. Nothing wrong with the smell of fresh bull shit.
It’s that’s what’s left lying around what stinks..
And I have to say that my first sight of Mark Williams Thomas has
left me in shock, horror. He looks like aging bull shit.
- August 12, 2013 at 08:24
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Re: “Why is this guy allowed to view ‘horrific images’, he is not a
police officer !”
So he views ‘horrific images’ of child abuse when he is no longer in the
police and is only self employed yet creates a stink when someone from the
Daily Mail claims to have done the same and more or less calls for them to
be arrested?
Bet it was young girls wearing skirts he considered too short, lol…
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