Childline.
Back in July 2011, around the time that Meirion Jones was first making a move on the story of great personal interest to him and his family:
Mr Jones told me that, around July 2011, he mentioned the Savile story to his Newsnight colleague Liz MacKean.
Pollard Inquiry 10/034 paragraph 4.14
There were simultaneously other noteworthy events in the child protection industry.
Childline, the children’s charity started by Esther Rantzen, was just coming up to its 25th anniversary as the organisation famed for allowing children to anonymously report any abuse and receive help and counselling without fear of the consequences of reporting such abuse. Esther Rantzen was later to claim that she had only ever heard one rumour that ‘Savile was creepy’ and that had been via a BBC contact, not through Childline.
But otherwise she was unaware of the accusations until the recent victims spoke out, saying that Childline had never received any calls naming Savile as an abuser.
In that July, all was not well in the headquarters of Childline. The organisation had faced bankruptcy before in 2006, but then been taken over by the NSPCC. The NSPCC had acquired a generous £30 million from the Labour government to preserve the service, but that money had run out by the March of 2011.
The new coalition government pledged £11.2 million over 4 years – even in the middle of the worst financial crisis this country has ever faced – but it was not enough. Childline costs £26 million pounds a year to run; albeit that it is mostly staffed by volunteers.
Either the NSPCC was going to have to dig deep into its coffers to preserve this space where children could anonymously report abuse, or the service was going to have to be cut back. They chose to cut the service back.
427 dedicated volunteers were fired, allowing the organisation to dispense with the services of the 75 paid staff who used to supervise them, and get rid of 4 of their regional call centres, saving 10%, 2.5 million, of their annual operating costs.
It amounted to slashing the organisation by 20%.
Within months of this disaster befalling the organisation, a chain of events commenced which was to transform its fortunes.
Meirion did not have time in that July to look into the allegations that he had known about ‘from his family’ for some years concerning Jimmy Savile; in the October, Savile died. Meirion ultimately did not make his planned programme for Newsnight; mysteriously, rumours that Jimmy Savile was a paedophile and that Meirion’s programme was not being aired because the BBC ‘was protecting Savile’ began to circulate at will through the main stream media. Meirion has denied any knowledge of how this could have occurred.
In October 2012, Mark Williams-Thomas, a £500 researcher on the un-broadcast Newsnight feature, was revealed as the author of a now ITV documentary – ‘Exposure’.
Following broadcast of this ITV feature, the NSPCC, parent organisation by now of Childline, was brought in to field calls following the broadcast.
Recognising this, ACPO contacted the programme makers prior to broadcast to ensure that the NSPCC Helpline service would be available for viewers to contact when it was aired, for the public generally to provide information that might assist police and to offer initial support to adult victims of non-recent childhood abuse.
A report by ‘Brand Watch‘ (and charities are undoubtedly a ‘brand’ these days), showed that although Childline’s fortunes sank even further following Exposure, the NSPCC were able to benefit.
In the immediate aftermath of the Exposure programme, Childline took a hit among people who donated to children’s charities. As donors became less likely to give to Childline, they became more likely to contribute to the NSPCC. Although its levels stabilised and broadly moved in unison with the NSPCC, Childline’s numbers were greatly down on where they were.
Curiously, in the months following Exposure, only 4% of calls to Childline concerned sexual abuse. Children were far more likely to use the service to report depression and general unhappiness.
5% of the calls were from suicidal children.
Rank | Concern | Girls | Boys | Unknown | Total Counselling | % Counselling |
1 | Depression & Unhappiness | 19,054 | 5,208 | 11,679 | 35,941 | 13% |
2 | Family Relationships | 18,537 | 5,556 | 11,061 | 35,154 | 13% |
3 | Bullying/Cyberbullying | 14,653 | 6,724 | 9,010 | 30,387 | 11% |
4 | Self Harm | 12,643 | 856 | 9,033 | 22,532 | 8% |
5 | Suicidal | 8,461 | 1,579 | 4,823 | 14,863 | 5% |
6 | Problems with Friends | 8,321 | 1,896 | 4,068 | 14,285 | 5% |
7 | Physical Abuse | 6,318 | 4,066 | 3,496 | 13,880 | 5% |
8 | Sexual Abuse & Online Sexual Abuse | 6,894 | 3,324 | 2,213 | 12,431 | 4% |
9 | Puberty & Sexual Health | 5,889 | 3,164 | 2,209 | 11,262 | 4% |
10 | Mental Health Issues | 5,452 | 928 | 3,094 | 9,474 | 3% |
Suicidal children relying on an organisation which had been slashed by 20% – whilst its parent organisation was consumed by reports of historical abuse? This was not good news. I was considerably alarmed to receive information from inside Childline:
[They are] running ChildLine bases like call centres (rather than psychological services) counsellors are required to have an “average handling time” of 3 mins for calls from children. 35 mins for an internet chat – this also includes the time it takes to write up the corresponding casenote. There is soon to be a trial piloted where counsellors will be required to talk to two children (in separate online chats) at once. There is no plan to tell the children that they are not getting, even from Childline, someone’s full and undivided attention.
The impact on counsellors will be that they’re potentially trying to manage the safety of two suicidal kids at the same time. On any shift there should be 2 supervisors in the room to risk assess contacts coming in. There’s no plans to increase the numbers of supervisors even though the number of live contacts at any one time will double. There’s also potential for writing the wrong thing in the wrong chat window and breaching confidentiality. It’s wholly unethical.
Supervisor and counsellor teams have all advised senior management that this is a bad idea – an accident waiting to happen. But a member of the management committee works for Virgin and says that it’s doable. So we are about to play fast and loose with kids safety, just to see if the man from Virgin (whose business is whether your broadband works) can apply his genius to our high call demand.
Surely this couldn’t be true? The implications of a volunteer being faced with two suicidal children on line at the same time didn’t bear thinking about. It didn’t take long before someone else sent me an internal Childline document.
Dual chat project
Sue Spurway and 3 staff counsellors (as discussed and nominated at CHMM) undertook some technical testing on the training system to assess the usability of our technology to support dual chats. This testing did raise some issues both in terms of the technical requirements and also it enabled us to explore some of the practice issues as well. These have all been documented and our next step is to provide Peter with a demo so he can also appreciate how we move this forward in terms of a pilot. The likelihood is that we will have a couple of different delivery methods such as two chats on one screen, and two screens each with one chat, and potentially some bigger screens to pilot two chats on a bigger screen than we currently use. We have yet to review the project plan against this testing and will have to add detail to the set up and evaluation of the pilots and also review timescales and support needs. Therefore I am not in a position to give you a great deal more information currently but will keep you updated as this progresses.
If you are wondering who this ‘Peter’ is who is turning an essential resource for suicidal children into a version of those call centres handling guarantee complaints on your washing machine, I can tell you. He is Peter Liver, Director of ChildLine & NSPCC Executive Board Member.
This is what happens when organisations are short of money, they have to make difficult choices – and the difficult choice the NSPCC appear to have made is to put their money into headline grabbing historical abuse rather than an arena where children could expect a dedicated professional ear for their current troubles.
Why would Peter Liver, who has spent most of his career within the NSPCC, appear to favour identifying historic abuse over children with current problems? I have no idea – and was particularly baffled when I discovered his background.
He started his working life bashing the troubled streets of:
Rotherham Local Authority
– (2 years)Rotherham
Working as a non-qualified practice support worker.
A month after ‘Exposure’ – ChildLine was advertising for ’10 Rotherham volunteers‘ to man its dedicated Rotherham child abuse phone lines…only if they can handle two desperate calls at once, or 1,400….
Needless to say, the NSPCC/ChildLine is now looking for more money for an ambitious programme:
The charity, which operates the UK’s only confidential 24-hour helpline for youngsters, has announced ambitious plans to visit every primary school in the UK to help youngsters understand abuse and how to stay safe.
Using:
…a national army of 4,000 volunteers to reach the 23,420 schools and over 1.8 million children in three years.
- Alex
July 13, 2015 at 9:59 am -
What I’d like to know is, how did any of us manage to progress to a relatively, normal, happy adulthood before all these various counselling services were introduced? I do not deny that some children suffer terrible abuse, but is it any more or less common than it used to be? Is there really any way of knowing the answer to that question. Were the ways of dealing with it any better or worse than now? We seem to be awash with social workers these days, and yet we hear of dreadful cases that “slipped through the net” and are repeatedly told that lessons will be learnt., but they never are.
My concern with organisations such as Childline and the NSPCC is that is there possibly a danger of creating a self-fulfilling prophecy situation. Ask any child if they’ve ever been abused and most would probably say yes, a bit like the old chestnut of “did you see mummy kissing the milkman?”. The existence of an anonymous reporting facility is in itself open to abuse. When I look back to my childhood there are quite a few events which took place that had they happened more recently could have been classed as abuse. I know people will say that times have changed and what used to be acceptable is no longer so. I’m afraid I don’t have any answers to give, I wish I did.
- Moor Larkin
July 13, 2015 at 10:06 am -
* Ask any child if they’ve ever been abused and most would probably say yes *
I’ll bet they wouldn’t.
A fair proportion of middle-aged people would say they had been though. - GildasTheMonk
July 13, 2015 at 10:09 am -
Quite so, Alex.
- eric hardcastle
July 14, 2015 at 6:19 am -
Indeed. And many of us faced terrible times as a child and yet survived and thrived on adversity. My mother was a volunteer telephone “counselor” for some time at a suicide hotline, something I feared when I first heard she was doing so as I knew that although she was kind, she was also a “pull your socks up” type.
Once when picking her up I got to hear her chatting to a claimed potential suicide and was surprised at her very mumsy type half hour chat to the poor soul where she could have been chatting over the back fence to a neighbour. Talking to her later she said “that’s what most of them want, someone to chat to about life like a dear old friend as they are in the main very lonely people who have no-one else to talk to”.Could that be how it is today with the breakdown of communities? Working class estates used to be places where everyone supported or respected each other, now they seem to hotbeds of battling unemployed bored folk looking for an ‘enemy’ and ‘pedos’ seem to fit the current bill (politicians having successfully diverted attention away from their own failures) with envy & despair quietly seething as they all think that if only they too could appear on X-Factor they could achieve instant fame.
I would have thought Childline is the most important charity to be maintained as the NSPCC seems to have become a self-perpetuating entity doing,well what?
- Moor Larkin
- Moor Larkin
July 13, 2015 at 9:59 am -
Sorry to be a bore but…
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9akpuJ8Dr9w/U0B5oOU27kI/AAAAAAAAEdA/iaI7_I6SBNI/s1600/image002.jpg
£180,000 in 1974 would equate to almost £655,000 in value today. A photograph you’re possibly moor familiar with is the one where Norman Fowler was handing over a giant cheque for £500,000 to Jimmy Savile’s Stoke Mandevile appeal. The two-way flow of funds that was developing was evidently a 20th Century Private/Public Finance Initiative, with the exception being that in Jimmy Savile’s version of a Public/Private Finance Initiative, the private sector didn’t charge interest for the next thirty years. - GildasTheMonk
July 13, 2015 at 10:09 am -
Gravy train.
- Moor Larkin
July 13, 2015 at 10:15 am -
NSPCC and NAPAC had a most unseemly spat in the aftermath of savilisation, even leading to an exchange of letters between Lord patten and Peter Saunders involving Jesus.
The National Association for People Abused in Childhood said that both George Entwistle, the former director-general, and Tim Davie, the acting director-general, agreed to help set up and fund the Jimmy Savile hotline. However, Peter Saunders, chief executive of the charity, claimed that Lord Patten, the chairman of the BBC Trust, had intervened to block the plans. Lord Patten yesterday denied that he had “dismissed” the idea, but admitted that the BBC had decided “not to proceed” with the helpline. Mr Saunders described the decision as “very sad”. He said: “I had some very interesting and constructive talks with George Entwistle who wanted to support Napac. “George left and his successor wanted to carry on with that work by putting in place a national survivor helpline.
http://jimcannotfixthis.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/pulling-tugging-forelocks-optional.html- Margaret Jervis
July 13, 2015 at 1:51 pm -
I wonder if Saunders will invoke ‘Jesus’ in his defence in his legal spat with Cardinal Pell?
Saunders is now on the Survivors’ Panel of the Goddard inquiry. He’s now designated ‘founder and spokesperson’ of NAPAC and seems to derive most of his income from abuse panel quangos.
Both NSPCC and NAPAC have already profited from Goddard – NSPCC providing the support line and NAPAC getting £170K to do whatever they do.
Wonder what the cost benefit margin would be if you subtracted the hoax calls?
- eric hardcastle
July 14, 2015 at 6:27 am -
When Pell was Archbishop of Melbourne he was surrounded by a tough group of young protective priests called ‘Pell’s Angels’
I think Cardinal Pell will win that fight hands down. Saunders has bitten of more than he can chew in that spat.
Pell was a serious contender for Pope and despite his extreme conservatism, has the most powerful friends including Pope Francis.- Moor Larkin
July 14, 2015 at 6:37 am -
The other Pope, now hiding in a Byzantine nunnery was pretty much felled by the inextricability of extracting himself from the Catholic mea-culpa on kiddy krime. That he was German too just made it harder I suppose, but hearing that Pell is surrounded by male Angels makes me fear for the story of another Fall of an arch Angle. Remember the Scottish Cardinal felled by a single blow from a gay angel?
http://jimcannotfixthis.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/judge-not-lest-ye-be-judged.html
BRITAIN’S Catholic leader — sensationally fired by the Pope over a gay sex scandal — boasted of his close friendship with Jimmy Savile, The Sun can reveal.- OscarJ
July 19, 2015 at 10:32 am -
By all accounts, Cardinal Pell is celibate. But there does seem to be a very homoerotic angle to his young male bodyguards. I think he is actually oblivious to the gossip around him.
- OscarJ
- Moor Larkin
- eric hardcastle
- Margaret Jervis
- Lysistrata Eleftheria
July 13, 2015 at 10:39 am -
Bloody hell! I didn’t know any of this, Anna, despite having been involved in the charity sector most of my working life. Have always been suspicious of NSPCC ever since its mass brainwashing re: satanic ritual abuse, and its subsequent involvement in local Children’s Services spreading the same bullshit. But but but…so many questions. Possibly first is what on earth £26 million p.a. could be spent on by the Childline service? Trying to do some costings in my head and looking at your usage fgures. Will look at the a/cs on the Charity Commission website but they’re usually couched in such vague terms – e.g. “charitable activities” – as to be meaningless. And the Doncaster connection…fascinating. I was facing a rather dull and boring Monday but now you have whetted my appetite. Another coffee and a couple of ginger biscuits for fortification, I think, then onwards and upwards. Thank you.
- Moor Larkin
July 13, 2015 at 10:45 am -
Letter From America- 1987:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-gmP8FG7xX58/VaOHrJqcFgI/AAAAAAAAHyM/oo5jhqZHyJ0/s2048-Ic42/image002.jpg - Pamela Curtis
October 11, 2015 at 7:08 am -
I think it’s about time we expose these ceo ‘ s for what they are ! Con men with no idea what children need! Jane smith
- Moor Larkin
- Ed P
July 13, 2015 at 10:57 am -
The numbers make little sense.
Assuming they are for one whole year* & extrapolating from the figures, there’s 276,000 calls and even after the cuts, 2135 volunteers. That’s 129 calls per volunteer per year, or 2.5 calls per week per volunteer. So even if the average volunteer is active for only a few hours per week, the 3 minutes per call/double chat idea is absurd.* even if the figures are monthly, it’s still nonsense.
- Moor Larkin
July 13, 2015 at 11:01 am -
I would guess that we may have to wait until Esther’s made Silverline into something worth selling first. With Childline having demonstrated a possible revenue-stream of of £26 per phone-call, that shouldn’t take very long.
ChildLine’s 24-hour confidential helpline takes more than a million telephone calls a year. It provides free counselling for children to discuss abuse and neglect, and callers can remain anonymous. But it costs £26 million a year to run the organisation.
http://jimcannotfixthis.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/funny-he-hever-married.html
- Moor Larkin
- Margaret Jervis
July 13, 2015 at 11:12 am -
How interesting. The Childline helpline is of course a national freephone service – the Rotherham project appears to be a schools volunteer advocacy service.
But it appears that 2011-2 413 contacts on Childline mentioned ‘grooming’ and 60 percent were online.
So the kind of ‘street grooming’ in the Rotherham report would be 165 contacts – nationally.
Can’t calculate the percentage re the figures cited above but would appear to be statistically insignificant even if there is duplication of categories re callers.
It can’t be the case that it was ‘unknown’ or not recognised. There have been high profile cases in the media and courts since 2010 and
the whole thrust of the Rotherham report was that it was known about for years but nothing was done.So Childline can’t plead ignorance either.
And of course Rotherham is just one place so the numbers potentially affected must have been massive over the years.
All of which leads one to suspect that the victims were not by and large contacting Childline.
- The Blocked Dwarf
July 13, 2015 at 11:34 am -
One day I am going to find the time to ‘shop the cover of Der Giftpilz
https://ramagens.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/giftpilz01.jpgI reckon if I turn that ‘shroom into a penis-head, remove the Jewish features, then it could be just the thing for the N*sig rune**sig rune*PCC’s latest campaign cos has announced ambitious plans to visit every primary school in the UK to help youngsters understand abuse and how to stay safe. might just be the scariest sentence since ‘here to help’.
- Margaret Jervis
July 13, 2015 at 11:51 am -
These projects have been running since the 80’s – remember the Rolf video that came back to haunt him? (endorsed by the NSPCC)
There’s evidence that the ‘good touch/bad touch’ young children projects may elicit false allegations. ‘The ‘grooming’ explosion since the 80s appears to indicate that some teens ignore every alert drummed into them .
In historical abuse cases where the complainants were post-the 80s mass consciousness raising (including Childline and NSPCC campaigns) they claim they didn’t know what was happening at the time.
So it seems there is little to commend these campaigns and the old adage of ‘don’t take sweets from strangers’ and general awareness of ‘iffy’ adult behaviour most kids learnt might be just, if not more, effective.- Moor Larkin
July 13, 2015 at 12:07 pm -
Childline was always a complete misnomer anyway since actual children (say up to age 10 or 11) would lack the sophisticated nouse to grasp how to use such a “service”. So it would only really be of use to teenagers, who after about 14 or so no longer regard themselves as children anyway. Someone commented a few Posts ago that a number of the northern city asian grooming victims had to be coerced into testimony and have been made prisoners of the system essentially, at least until they are 18 because otherwise they demanded to have nothing to do with it all.
I recall delving into the history of Childline stats ages ago and from memory (always a dangerous tool) 80% of the first flush of complaints were all about Bullying – in other words kids abusing kids… Nowt new about that in the youman race, but we used to grow out of it. Now the grown-ups seem worse than the children.
- eric hardcastle
July 14, 2015 at 6:33 am -
Remember, Ms Saunders of the CPS has now said that even one contact can be seen as ‘grooming’. Kids chatting each other up should be very wary.
- Moor Larkin
- Margaret Jervis
- Alexander Baron
July 13, 2015 at 11:49 am -
Does anyone have any statistics for kids who’ve been saved from sexual abuse by Childline? What a racket.
- TheyFearTheHare
July 13, 2015 at 8:50 pm -
Probably about as many as saved by CEOP …..
I’m a cynical auld hare, I’m sure most people subscribe to the view that if even one child benefitted it’s worth the tens of millions per annum pissed up the wall in staff salaries
There’s an hilarious story regarding a director of the NSPCC who used the charities publicly donated funds to take out an injunction after she was pulled up by police for leaving her extremely young child unattended in a locked car whist she nipped to the bank (as you do)
I’m amazed that there aren’t more whistleblowers, what a shower of *****
- TheyFearTheHare
- Margaret Jervis
July 13, 2015 at 1:16 pm -
Here’s a startling claim by an insider at Childline on reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1dtmja/til_childline_has_spent_25_years_ensuring_an/
“SekondaH 1 point 2 years ago
On average, across the day and the network Childline would take about… 7/8/9000 calls according to the switchboard, Switchboard screens calls, those who call up just to yell or accidentally call British Gas (similar starting number) and be asked if they wanted to talk to somebody then explained how long they’d be on hold for, sometimes this could be instantly or they could be transferred to an agent in that particular centre straight away. It’s a lot more informal than I make it out to be.
So, of those calls, maybe 150 would be “genuine” and of that maybe 5 would require “intervention” by our doctrine.”Apparently the Samaritans are plagued with ‘sex’ hoax calls and something similar seems to the the case at Childline.
- windsock
July 13, 2015 at 1:22 pm -
All helplines are plagued by sex pests. Volunteers are usually trained to deal with the “wankers”. They tend to make themselves known pretty quickly – instant gratification and all that.
- eric hardcastle
July 14, 2015 at 6:37 am -
The Samaritans were the ones my mother worked for.
The poor dear, she had a very mellifluous voice so maybe she was really chatting to perves getting off as she chatted.
Maybe that’s why she went in their so often !
- windsock
- Bandini
July 13, 2015 at 2:44 pm -
It does seem curious that not a single call was made to Childline about Savile, given the hundreds (or thousands?) of victims we are told he amassed. Being charitable, we might dismiss this anomoly due to a childhood abuse victim needing time to come to terms with said abuse.
Less easy to dismiss is the fact that a charity/helpline whose sole function is to help adults who were once childhood victims – NAPAC – also failed to receive a single call, even anonymously, regarding Savile. NAPAC make it clear that wherever there is a risk of abuse continuing, as would have been the case with a still-alive celebrity famed for his work with children, they will pass the information to the police. They never did, as nobody ever mentioned his name. How curious.
- Alex
July 13, 2015 at 4:30 pm -
Yes indeed, very curious.
- The Blocked Dwarf
July 13, 2015 at 4:46 pm -
curious.
Which killed the cat …in a clear case of historical animal abuse.
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Moor Larkin
July 13, 2015 at 5:31 pm -
The child abuse industry was created in Leeds. Nobody ever mentioned Jimmy then either.
“Jane Wynne introduced young Marietta Higgs to this new way of diagnosing child molestation during a Leeds’ medical conference.”
http://jimcannotfixthis.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/origin-of-species.html
“Other outrageous assertions, such as that by the Zero Tolerance Campaign, stated in a Leeds Library and Information Services Briefing that 175,000 (50%) of adult women in Leeds (and by implication, everywhere else) have been sexually abused in some way during childhood and, according to one campaign worker, serious incestuous abuse is a very high proportion of that figure, go virtually unchallenged. Several Labour-run Councils around the country have supported and widely publicised these campaigns using council funds. Many men (and women) have had to stifle their anger on seeing large hoardings, as occurred in Leeds, proclaim men as ubiquitous sexual abusers of young girls.”Curious yellow.
- Anne.
July 21, 2015 at 9:27 am -
Very strange indeed..
- Alex
- Carol42
July 13, 2015 at 6:43 pm -
Must have missed something as I was never abused, I don’t condider there outfits charities in the true sense any more just a vehicle for the egos and salaries of the people who run them. I wouldn’t give them a penny one that they have moved so far from their original ethos.
- Lizzie Cornish
July 13, 2015 at 7:02 pm -
Excellent, as ever, Anna.
Don’t get me started on Child Line, or Esther, or The NSPCC, else I shall explode…..
- Moor Larkin
July 14, 2015 at 6:31 am -
Oh my giddy goat!!
I just read your Link Lizzie Cornish and thought to myself that that dreadful woman was writing post-Savile and I was shocked.
Then I was completely discumknockerated as it dawned on me that she’s recanting from before, in 2008!!!
She’s even worse than I ever thought. My bole is going hyper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLNrLI3OBwg- eric hardcastle
July 14, 2015 at 6:45 am -
A news report yesterday in Oz of an 82 year old man hideously beaten by some brute because he spotted 2 small children in a car at night unattended and wandered over worried about their welfare.
Dad, visiting a house nearby emerged and spotted the ancient pensioner peering in the car window & proceeded to blacken his eyes and left him in a crumpled heap in the gutter.
Police appealing for people to identify the thug have used careful words :” the gentleman was very old fashioned and concerned for the kiddies welfare” - Misa
July 14, 2015 at 6:58 am -
And the final paragraph of Lizzie’s 2008 article:
‘Mark Williams Thomas, a child protection expert and former policeman, said: “It does concern me that no member of the public is even asking this child are they OK. They actually had to walk around them.”‘
- Moor Larkin
July 14, 2015 at 7:20 am -
@Misa
Pays to read the whole of an article before throwing the newspaper furiously across the room….
- Moor Larkin
- eric hardcastle
- Moor Larkin
- Anon
July 13, 2015 at 7:39 pm -
Anna NAILS ‘Market Brands’ NSPCC/RancidLine – Rotten To The Core!
The indefatigable Raccoon, finally ferrets out the untold vital truths. (Long known by serious academics, market mainstream immorally blocked – Quel Surprize.)
MOST SHOCKING is what, for three decades has been market mainstream immorally hidden from a mass misinformed UK public, by the BIG bent ‘Brand’ so called ‘Child Sex Abuse victims/survivors’ industry of bent-cops/media/charridies et al.
The immoral market mainstream is not for TRUE Child Protection, but for all the usual suspect characters, greed/careers/BIG compo/FAT fees/ratings and profit. All deviously disguised as so called ‘Child Protection’. From just 4% Sex Abuses now Brit-farce being 10 year investigated by a c. £400,000 p.a. imported pompous judge flying to and from N.Z. with her family on a BIG binge paid for by UK taxpayers.
While the untold vital truth is that a vast NINETY SIX PERCENT of calls and complaints were and are for NON-SEX serious child abuses. Immoral market mainstream largely ignored or criminally neglected. With millions of victims/survivors of NON-SEX serious child abuses, about whom the kid-seXploiting immoral market mainstream hypocrites in denial – don’t give a damn!
Not one for capital punishment, but surely such 1st degree hypocrisy should at least be a hanging offence – just stretch ’em a bit?
“No!” You say?
Ok then, a lot!!
Hang ’em high, and then streeetch ’em real loooooowwww!!!!!! (On sponsored BIG primetime Tee-Vee, natch.)
- eric hardcastle
July 14, 2015 at 6:48 am -
I think those who advocated against the chosen CSA chairs may be quite disappointed .
My experience has been that New Zealanders are fairly ‘no nonsense’ types who see through charlatans fairly quickly.- Moor Larkin
July 14, 2015 at 7:22 am -
New Zealand seems a hotbed of child abuse, mostly centred around the St John’s Ambulance… I have read… on the internet.
- Mudplugger
July 14, 2015 at 8:14 am -
And that’s despite the country being full of all those good-looking sheep.
- Peter Raite
July 23, 2015 at 12:33 pm -
The NZ StJA provides virtually all the country’s emergency ambulance services.
- Mudplugger
- Moor Larkin
- eric hardcastle
- Opus
July 13, 2015 at 8:36 pm -
So, the government have been fueling this nonsense, with tax-payers money. Incandescent with anger, really.
- IlovetheBBC
July 14, 2015 at 9:49 am -
I profess I have experience of Childline. My then 13 year old rang them because she was worried about the relationship a friend had formed with a much older man, which she felt was manipulative. I knew what I had to do but was interested to hear their response. In fact, the advice they gave was spot on, not heavy handed or intrusive (they never asked for names, although they did follow up the next day to see if the advice had been taken up). We were all right to be suspicious – after the parents were informed and a police sting set up it transpired he wasn’t in his late teens as he claimed but 30, and had already been in court for chasing 12yr olds with presents and bottles of vodka (and later, his fists).
- Anon
July 14, 2015 at 12:48 pm -
“..he wasn’t in his late teens as he claimed but 30, and had already been in court for chasing 12yr olds with presents and bottles of vodka (and later, his fists).”
That kind of monster could give pedophilia a bad name!
Meanwhile, back to Anna’s untold vital truth. A vast NINETY SIX PERCENT of calls and complaints were and are for NON-SEX serious child abuses. Immoral market mainstream largely ignored or criminally neglected. With millions of victims/survivors of NON-SEX serious child abuses, about whom the kid-seXploiting immoral market mainstream hypocrites in denial – don’t give a damn!
- Make It Stop
July 19, 2015 at 3:12 pm -
Does anyone who was sexually abused as a child ever post comments on here?
- Fool_on_the_Hill
July 21, 2015 at 3:34 am -
I also persuaded my son to call childline at around 14/15. Don’t know what was discussed exactly, felt he should only tell me if he wanted to, but it was regarding Mother/step-family difficulties.
It saddened me though that I had to rely on some outside agency to help him work through issues his father (me) should be doing.
However, my real concern is that when child-protection agencies feel obligated to promote themselves through the media, they (no doubt unintentionally? – naughty question mark, of course unintentionally) actually end up putting ideas into people’s (let’s be fair; generally men’s) heads.
I was thinking earlier that there’s an old adage “the devil makes work for idle hands to do”, and it occurred to me; how is it decided, in reality, what work that is?
It then came to me that it would depend on what thoughts and ideas were generally floating around at the time. Positive ” love thy neighbour “, ” peace to the world ” type ideas might actually encourage someone to get involved in something positive. ” The country’s full of paedo’s “, maybe not so much.
I’m not suggesting that all men when finding themselves at a loose end think “child-abuse – the way to go!” I’m suggesting perhaps that there’s a greater propensity when (men in particular) are having the ubiquitous mid-life crisis or feel disempowered for whatever reason.
The same argument could be applied to “home-grown” terrorists I suppose, and clearly the media must also consider it’s role in propagating hysteria.
Of course, no doubt someone will tell me if I’m talking b@#£%&ks.
- Moor Larkin
July 21, 2015 at 7:41 am -
You seem a mite confused since you appear to be postulating that “child abuse” is becoming more rife, whereas I thought the narrative was that it was rife in the 1970’s but now everything’s ace and we’re all happily living in a very adult and multi-sexual society.
- Moor Larkin
- Fool_on_the_Hill
July 21, 2015 at 2:41 pm -
It’s true. I often have thoughts which make perfect sense in my head, but when trying to convey those ideas, even I end up criticising their veracity.
I hoped just to make the point that; when someone (NSPCC, NAPAC, The Daily “Hang ’em High”, etc) encourage the notion that there’s a paedophile on every street and in every family, they run the risk of creating a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Whereas, maybe we (the British public) could get a clearer perspective on the claims and accusations that NSPCC (et al) make when they get around to launching “Childline Saudi Arabia”?
- Moor Larkin
July 21, 2015 at 3:12 pm -
I would postulate that it’s much less likely that grown men would become paedo’s because of watching Mark Williams-Thomas than that two ten year-old boys might start to act out Chucky the Movie for real, but perish the thought that what we are all bombarded with by the media should have the slightest effect on the way our brains work. I’ve stopped watching TV though, just in case; the only worry is that this behaviour seems to mark me out as a bit of weirdo so far as “society” is concerned. It seems you’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t.
- Moor Larkin
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