If you go down to the woods tonight…
Liverpool is an amazing place. Militant. Unbending. Not frightened to speak its mind. Especially the women. They are a terrifying breed.
What was that you said? Where was I born? Oh, Liverpool, since you ask. I do know of which I speak.
The city has produced many notable characters. Ooh, Derek Hatton, er, John Lennon, er, lets try some women – Bessie Braddock. there you go. ‘Battling Bessie’, as she was known. My aunt stood against her in Liverpool Exchange once; vanished without trace, perhaps one vote from my Nana, the only person who would have dared to vote against Bessie.
One thing that these ardent socialists had in common was a firm desire to tip up the apple cart. To refashion the world to suit Liverpudlians. Didn’t matter how, just scatter the dice. Liverpudlians don’t give in. (They might end up closing the docks, but they don’t give in).
The city has produced other proud fighters – those who have campaigned long and hard over the Hillsborough disaster. The ‘J96’ group as they became known. Activists from that group fell out – there’s only room for one Liverpool sized ego at the top of every organisation – and some of the online activists went onto become prolific trolls, bullying and trying to silence anyone who dared to question the #Ibelieveher mantra.
Another well known Liverpool voice was that of Rory Wilmer. He was the organiser of the Liverpool branch of ‘Fathers 4 Justice’, but later fell out with Matt O’Connor the founder, and formed his own ‘New fathers 4 Justice’ group. Still scaling buildings and demanding justice, but at least only one ego at the helm. Funnily enough, Rory went on to have a considerable on line presence which took great exception to anyone who dared to question the #Ibelieveher mantra.
But then Rory’s father was Graham Wilmer, who claims to be a survivor of abuse himself, and who formed the Lantern Project in Liverpool, to support survivors of abuse. Would you believe he also took to social media, clashing horns not only with the few who dared to question some of the stories emerging, but also with other ‘survivors’ and ‘survivor groups’. Graham later got himself appointed to the original panel of the child abuse inquiry – only for solicitor’s letters to start flying, claiming that he was bullying other panel members and vulnerable victims. In fairness, he was not the only panel member to be so accused. I’ve no idea if the other panel member, Barbara Hearn was a Scouse as well, but it wouldn’t surprise me.
Quarrelsome lot aren’t they? Or put it another way – they were fighting like rats in a sack. I had thought it was just the tension of releasing these suppressed sexual abuses all these years, and steered clear – there was enough going on in the Duncroft saga. If I had given it any thought, it would have been along the line of egos fighting for supremacy. I hadn’t realised the scale of the monies involved.
There is 7 and a half million to be divided up between charities ‘supporting the vulnerable’ for a start. (Hello, anyone we know running a charity here?) then there is the little matter of the undeclared daily ‘honorarium’ plus expenses for sitting on a panel expected to last for 8 years. The publicity, my dear, the publicity, TV appearances, exclusive interviews.
It was getting rough out there in social media land. The foot soldiers slogged it out nightly on Twitter, hurling verbal Molotov’s at each other, and occasionally at the audience, between the cute kitty pictures and motivational posters.
Amongst them was one Esther Baker. Esther, another Liverpudlian, (surprise!) was an ardent supporter of Graham Wilmer. She wasn’t publicity shy, tweeting under her own name, and flagging up her tale of woe.
I am a survivor of childhood sexual abuse both within the family and organised abuse by a paedophile ring in which my father was a part. My abuse started at the age of three. By the age of six I was being regularly raped and abused by various men, some of whom have been identified as “VIP” abusers. By the age of 13/14 I had become pregnant by my father and had a violent, forced abortion.
That tale of woe was posted on the 19th May 2015. Esther says it was posted because:
There are two survivors behind this. We share the title of “survivor” but that is all we have in common. I have been harassed by these two men for the last 5 months. They have threatened to release my name and area to others – they have verbally assaulted me, they constantly harass, belittle, criticise me and others like me on social media. They encourage others to do the same.
Again – you might ask why they’re doing this. Again the answer is simple. It is because I have publicly supported Graham and the previous panel on the Independent Child Sexual Abuse Inquiry. That’s it!! Their personal grudge against Graham because he got the job they wanted themselves has extended to anyone & anything associated with him.
To read Esther’s account in full – she was sexually abused for 26 years from age 3, is gruelling. She made contact with Graham Wilmer 16 months ago. She has made remarkable progress, for within 12 months she had become one of his most prolific supporters on Twitter, under her own name. She has also founded a ‘survivor group’ called Reflections UK, which numbers Graham amongst its supporters. Then disaster struck.
One of the other survivors associated with the inquiry, during the infighting as to whether Graham Wilmer was going to be on this blessed panel or not, threatened to reveal her name and story. She responded by putting her story on Twitter. Without naming names.
Six days after her Twitter confession she was a world wide sensation, on Sky every twenty minutes, with exclusive interviews with newspapers globally. Not just her story, but the full details. Correction. The full details of part of her story. We heard nothing more of the abuse by her Father – who presumably is traceable by the police. Nor of her husband. But we did hear of the ‘Lords’ and ‘Judges’ and ‘uniformed police officers’ who guarded them as they raped six year old Esther in a public park at night, along with a host of other little girls. Then incredibly, we heard how this little 6 year old girl was taken to London at night whilst her Mother was working as a nurse, to be raped in Dolphin Square, and returned before breakfast, whether by the same Lords and Judges, we know not – and a Lib-Dem MP. Not hard to identify, they are rarer than hen’s teeth these days.
Despite the fact that she went on to be abused in Rotherham, scene of so much abuse, and regularly abused and beaten by her husband, until she became alcoholic – her Mother, a trained nurse, had no inkling of what was going on in her life until a month ago.
It is a testament to Graham Wilmer’s skill (as a survivor himself he practises a form of therapy using ‘peer counselling’ by other survivors) with the meagre funds available to his Lantern Project, that he can take such a deeply damaged girl with horrific memories buried for nigh on 26 years, and in a brief 12 months give her the confidence to provide verbal evidence of the links between Lords, Judges, the Elm Guest House, murdered children, indeed many of the threads of the stories the world media have been feeding on for months and which were starting to quieten down.
I am puzzled by one part of her story though:
She broke her silence when she gave evidence to the national child abuse inquiry, which has led to many high-profile convictions, but said she lost confidence in the investigation and decided instead to go to the police in her quest for justice.
I wasn’t aware that there had been any convictions as a result of ‘a national child abuse inquiry’? Has there been a separate one in Liverpool that I’ve missed? You don’t think that Esther could have been confused over what she has seen and heard do you?
Let’s hope that her Mother can remember where Esther’s father is now, or even her ex-husband, and help the police with their enquiries. Whilst Graham Wilmer has been busy tweeting that the now ex-Lib-Dem MP is ‘hiding in plain sight’ and Rory Wilmer’s Twitter account has been unaccountably ‘lost’ by Twitter, not to mention those of several of the other Liverpool contingent of ardent Tweeters regarding child sex abuse by Tory toffs, brave Esther has gone back to her day job managing a bookies in downtown Liverpool.
Not a job for the faint hearted. Talking of faint hearted – the qualifications for sitting on the Victims and Survivors panel are:
a) Experience of issues associated with institutional responses to child sexual abuse
b) Experience of working collectively and collaboratively as part of a team and
c) Holds a current mandate to represent the interests of a defined group of victims or survivors of child sexual abuse.
Gosh! So you have to be the representative of a group of victims – and have experience of working ‘collectively and collaboratively’. A team player and a Survivor’s advocate? Does such a creature exist?
You can catch up with future episodes on Exaro. They seem to be acting as a clearing house for media with empty column inches.
Does anybody know what the fees are for sitting on the advisory panel? And whether you have to be CRB checked in order to do so?
- IlovetheBBC
June 9, 2015 at 9:12 am -
The figure of £500 a day is often quoted, but I have no idea if it’s that much.
The factional fighting and venomous accusations are shocking, and seems to be encouraged by Exaro who every now and again tweet ‘Catch up: how Exaro warned the establishment would try and split survivors’ or some such similar rubbish.
- Moor Larkin
June 9, 2015 at 9:18 am -
Shy Keenan was born a scouser too, albeit the Birkenhead side of the Mersey.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/monsters-ruined-my-life–3491862
I have read that there was something of a drug epidemic there in the 80’s before Michael Heseltine swung into action, or maybe it was after – history may still be being written. Liverpool was long Ireland’s second city, with most Potato Famine boat people passing through, and many never getting as far as the USA; so that Oirishness may also go some way to explain their historic culture of having a chip on their collective shoulder. Watch out for the Fokkers as Stan Boardman used to say. - Alex
June 9, 2015 at 9:29 am -
The bits of these various stories that I find incredible are the claims that these victims have clear recollections of events that happened to them when they were 3 years of age. I have, at best, hazy memories of events from about 5 when I started infant school, and very little before that. Come to think of it, there are very few things that have happened in my life that I can remember with anything approaching accuracy – even things within the last few weeks. It’s always baffled me when in police investigations, they ask an individual “what were you doing on the night of so-and-so?” and expect the person to remember. I can’t remember exactly what I was doing on any given day recently. Do they expect people to keep a daily diary?
I’m getting sick to death of hearing all these sob stories from alleged victims. Does sexual abuse happen? – yes without doubt – but on the scale that is now being reported? – I think not. It’s almost as if it’s become fashionable to be seen as a victim of childhood sexual abuse. It’s become de rigeur for Hollywood and other celebrities to claim to have been sexually abused as children, and as we seem to live in a world dominated by celebrity, is it any wonder that the brainless idiots who read “Hello” and “OK” etc. want to jump on the band-wagon? We’re very much in danger of producing a generation of victim wanabees. The problem being that the fantasists are clouding the issue, and taking away resources from those that really have suffered terrible abuse.
- English Pensioner
June 9, 2015 at 12:17 pm -
I agree. I simply can’t believe that individuals can recall in detail what happened to them at these young ages. Most of what I know about events that took place before I was about ten was because my parents talked about it. I have a vision of the house that we lived in from when I was about 4 to the time we moved back to London when I was 9. But I have no recollection of my school whatsoever, nor of any friends that I had at the time. I have possible recollections of some events, such as falling in the village pond, but do I actually remember this or was it because I was told. So I take all claims of what happened to individuals before the age of ten with a very large pinch of salt!
- Don Cox
June 9, 2015 at 1:47 pm -
Evidently people vary.
I have plenty of clear memories from before the age of ten, and the earliest datable one is of my mother breastfeeding my brother, which would be when I was about 2 1/2.
And certainly clear memories of the various schools I went to before the age of ten.- Moor Larkin
June 9, 2015 at 2:54 pm -
I certainly have memories from when I must have been under 4 because the house and garden I recall, I no longer lived in after that age. I can also recall jumping up and down in my high-sided, having pulled off my nappy and dropped it over the side as was my wont, according to my mother. My brother was in a camp bed opposite and my parents in the double-bed against the main wall. We were in rented rooms awaiting a council house.
- Moor Larkin
June 9, 2015 at 2:55 pm -
high-sided cot….. that was meant to be.
- Bandini
June 9, 2015 at 3:12 pm -
My earliest memory – if that is what it really is – is of having my nappy changed by my sister. She terrifyingly waved the giant nappy-pin in the air as if to ask: “What do I do with this?” and she and my parents had a chuckle (whilst I trembled).
I’ve challenged them all about this & they seem to think it might have happened (though there is nothing unusual, I suppose, in having an older sibling have a go at helping out with the baby). It’s hard to believe that my memory is a real-one, though, although that is exactly how it feels. Maybe I heard them all reminisce several years later about “the time you pricked your brother with the pin” or something.Other early memories are all related to fear or pain: unfurling a leaf in the back-garden & discovering some horrible insect struggling to be born; a dog bite or two; running down the street with a bamboo-cane in front of me only for it to jam in a crack between the paving-stones, spearing me in the belly; a slightly older boy (who I think had sinusitis, looking back!) scaring me shitless recounting the ONLY correct way for breathing: ‘in through the mouth, out through the nose – or you might die!’; all fear & pain.
- Moor Larkin
June 9, 2015 at 3:20 pm -
I’m beginning to think I’m the only happy child on the internet…
- Bandini
June 9, 2015 at 3:24 pm -
She’s coming out to visit us in a couple of weeks’ time – a long-festering revenge shall be mine!
- Bandini
- Moor Larkin
- Moor Larkin
- Eric
June 9, 2015 at 7:22 pm -
You have recollections of bits. I have a very clear recollection of walking past the fire station aged about 3. But I can’t remember anything in any great detail.
How would a six year old know who the people were ? They might know, at a push, what they looked like 30 years ago. Most six year olds couldn’t recognise a picture of David Cameron, let alone (say) a Judge or a Lord.
How did she know he was a Lib Dem MP ? Was he wearing a rosette ? Do abusers say “Hi, I’m going to rape you, by the way when you grow up vote Lib Dem”.
- Mudplugger
June 9, 2015 at 9:12 pm -
Maybe you were actually watching ‘Fireman Sam’ or ‘Trumpington’ – damn that false memory syndrome.
- Mudplugger
- Moor Larkin
- The Blocked Dwarf
June 9, 2015 at 2:06 pm -
So I take all claims of what happened to individuals before the age of ten with a very large pinch of salt!
Not just childhood memories but even adult ones have proven themselves to me to be totally unreliable. No matter how ‘vivid’ or real. Good, in my particular case I worked very hard to depopulate the neurons from whole swathes of my brain, to ethnically cleanse synapses from sovereign cranial territory, by means of deploying WMDs…Whiskies of Multiple Denominations, but reading here regularly leads me to believe that most people couldn’t recall the surname of their first girlfriend if they bumped into her in Tesco.
I have said before that I could have passed a polygraph on my memory of a certain late teenage sexual encounter- even now when I know it never happened (because the girl in question kept a very precise and detailed diary ).
- Moor Larkin
June 9, 2015 at 3:18 pm -
Duh, girls know damned well that their mothers read their diaries so she was hardly likely to record her walpurgisnacht with you was she… …. and now she has the perfect evidence to say it never happened, so there… a good clean gal…
- The Blocked Dwarf
June 9, 2015 at 3:50 pm -
and now she has the perfect evidence to say it never happened, so there… a good clean gal…
Uhm when i said ‘late teenage’ I meant ME, she was in her mid 20s….and it happened just not when and not where and not how I remember soooo clearly. As she even kept my STD Test Results letter in her diary, she had no worries about being unclean.
- Moor Larkin
June 9, 2015 at 4:04 pm -
ah… my incomprehension.
Did she run a points out of 10 system? Made you proud I hope.- The Blocked Dwarf
June 9, 2015 at 4:30 pm -
Did she run a points out of 10 system? Made you proud I hope.
Nah, she was ‘furrin’ , h’a continentooll like (that’s ‘furrin’ as in “not from the UK” rather than “not from Norfolk”). All she would have noted would have been “Nul Point, Angleterre”. She hadn’t been over here long enough to know that the British don’t really do sex…. “the pleasure is momentary, the position ridiculous, and the expense damnable”…
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Moor Larkin
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Eric
June 9, 2015 at 7:23 pm -
Memories of what happened half an hour ago are unreliable. There are god-alone-knows how many studies that show that peer pressure etc. can cause people to be totally convinced of things that hadn’t happened. This is people who aren’t mad to start with.
- Moor Larkin
- Moor Larkin
June 9, 2015 at 2:50 pm -
How about 14-15? That’s seems to be the more common age range for child sexual abuse at the moment; that’s the thing, they were not children. .. except in law, they are deemed to be so. It does seem very easy to be confused about what age you might have been specifically, unless some proper fact-checking is done. Hypnotists and memory experts claim to be able to winkle out childhood memories – it’s one staple of the science of psychiatry too and much movie imagery is based around the idea of sudden memory retrieval. I recall a sexually-related memory suddenly returned to my mind at the age of 30-ish, and I worked back that I must have been 11 or 12 at the time. I lay for some time in bed ruminating over the memory and whether it was real or a dream and then I was able to figure it back, and the reason why it happened. I imagine this is the sort of phenomenon that folk experience and if they’re a bit neurotic they then create a whole fairy-story around it and firm it up into their reality… not sure other people should be going to prison based on that however.
- Sam Hill
August 25, 2015 at 12:02 am -
Outrageous! I don’t suppose you were abused and yet you still want to impose the law of ‘how it is’ upon those who have been ! Trauma memories are different I suggest you research, they can brand themselves clearly and in immense detail in all those who have experienced these things and should not be dismissed because they are not the same as yours.
- Don Cox
- Eric
June 9, 2015 at 7:19 pm -
What’s also astonishing is that their stories sound unrealistic – they sound like reject scripts from a soap opera and people behave in conveniently bizarre ways.
Suppose, for existence, this huge conspiracy exists. Why bother going to the effort of bringing a girl from Liverpool to London, why not simply find one in London ?
Another amazing convenience is that while the memory is absolutely incredible – word for word recall of conversations for example, anything that is actually testable is vague in the extreme.
- Bandini
June 9, 2015 at 9:50 pm -
I’ve wondered about this myself, Eric – why go to such unnecessary & reckless effort?
Given that in some cases we are asked to believe that as well as having an endless supply of childrens’ homes’ kids the same perpetrators also used child-prostitutes from the ‘meat-rack’ but weren’t averse to snatching others off the streets at random, it might seem a little illogical, but can all be explained away by the ‘huge conspiracy’: they were untouchable, they could do what they liked. And so they did (so they say!).
- Bandini
- Peter Raite
June 10, 2015 at 12:27 pm -
I’d agree on the miraculous infant memories. Delving into the recesses of my own, there are brief snatches of events that I know in retrospect must have happened at at a certain age. The year I was at home with my mother once my year-older brother started school, the sudden prevailing and – to me at the age of five – incomprehensible atmosphere of dread that accompanied the 1972 Munich Olympics, the sixth birthday when I got the parachute outfit for my Action Man, and so on. Generally, though, what I rember are either exceptional events, or a broad impression of everyday mundanity. In that context, what seems unbelievable with so many claimed memories of abuse is the clarity about what are supposedly multiple events involving multiple people over the course of many years.
- Jules
October 12, 2015 at 9:22 pm -
I am hurt and horrified at your level of ignorance. I can guarantee you that when a child suffers such trauma it is ingrained in their minds as if it were yesterday. Please don’t make assumptions about the effects of childhood abuse unless you have been through it, or at least have some basic understanding of the psychology behind it. To say that it has now become fashionable is such an insult to people like myself. Unless you have been through unspeakable horrors such as csa, would you really understand? 7 years of therapy later my life is still affected by what one man done to me. I’m sorry that victims stories bother you so much but think for a second how it affects them. it’s not fun and it certainly isn’t some kind of fashion accessory being labelled as a victim/survivor.
- English Pensioner
- The Blocked Dwarf
June 9, 2015 at 9:42 am -
Where was I born? Oh, Liverpool, since you ask. I do know of which I speak.
and yet you sound normal, educated, with fully functioning adenoids and an IQ that belies your origins. So I’m guessing that, whilst you may have been born in Liverpool , by the age of 6 months or so you had moved to England.
- Mudplugger
June 9, 2015 at 11:50 am -
One suspects the location of conception may be different, hence the unorthodox attributes our Landlady displays. Let’s face it, Jesus was born in Bethlehem by an accident of timing, but the miraculous and apparently immaculate conception happened elsewhere, so there’s precedent.
- Serengwalia
June 9, 2015 at 5:54 pm -
I am reminded of the the reply of the Duke of Wellington when reminded of the fact that he was born in Ireland, (pre-partition), rather than England.
“That may be so Sir, but one may be born in a stable without the necessity of being a horse”
(Approximate quote, relying on memory of reading biography)
- Edgar
June 11, 2015 at 1:15 pm -
If only the Duke had been as useful as a horse, …
- Edgar
- Serengwalia
- Mudplugger
- Alexander Baron
June 9, 2015 at 10:23 am -
I’ve only been to Liverpool a couple of times and due to the nature of my visit I never got far from Lime Street station. You forgot Cilla Black and the rest of the crowd. Anyone who grabbed her breast would have got a smack in the gob.
I went to that recent conference by the way:
http://www.thelatestnews.com/satan-comes-to-goldsmiths/
It was clear from Barbara Hewson that the police etc know what is going on but they don’t care. And we all know why the lawyers are so enthusiastic about this.
- Eric
June 9, 2015 at 7:29 pm -
Prosecute some of the b*st*rds.
There are countless cases where people who almost certainly haven’t colluded (distance etc.) make stunningly accurate descriptions that can only come from Police prompting.
I know someone who gave a stunningly accurate confirmation of an allegation that a child had been beaten up in a care home. I mean, really good confirmatory evidence.
At least it would have been if the person doing the “confirmation” hadn’t left five years before the person who was supposed to have been doing the beating up had arrived.
The reason is Plod tells them things, they answer “yes”, and then it’s written up as if they said it verbatim.
- IlovetheBBC
June 9, 2015 at 7:58 pm -
Eric, there is an ongoing case in Norwich where the writing up of social services’ interviews was so misleading the police actually investigated it!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-32992861
- IlovetheBBC
- Eric
- Andrew Rosthorn
June 9, 2015 at 10:38 am -
Brilliant analysis. Might the Cannock Chase fantasy finally bring the down the Lantern?
Nadine Vanessa Dorries MP born Nadine Bargery in Liverpool 21 May 1957, claimed in 2014, ‘Liverpool looks to me as one of its own’, but now tells the Mail on Sunday that she was sexually abused by the Anglican vicar of St Mary’s, Halewood, from the age of 9. - Henry the Horse
June 9, 2015 at 11:26 am -
Good post but it could have done without all the Scouser baiting. The story is a good and solid one and ranting against Liverpudlians makes the piece seem less reasonable than it is.
- Engineer
June 9, 2015 at 12:00 pm -
Scouser baiting, eh? Having worked with many Scousers, I can very well attest to their willingness to ‘dish it out’, and the complete inability of some of them (not all) to ‘take it back’. Not for nothing are the words ‘gobby’ and ‘scouser’ often found in the same sentence.
Our landlady, as so often, speaks truth.
- The Blocked Dwarf
June 9, 2015 at 2:08 pm -
Scouser baiting, eh?
Shurely a HATE CRIME?!
- Edgar
June 11, 2015 at 1:21 pm -
It believe that it is not a crime to hate Scousers. Yet. But, with all that whingeing, they have to be near the top of the list of vulnerable, minority groups that need State protection.
- Edgar
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Engineer
- Robert Edwards
June 9, 2015 at 2:46 pm -
There is a phenomenon (or maybe that is the wrong word, as it seems to be commonly-encountered) known colloquially as ‘Walting’, as in Walter Mitty. Apparently, (whisper it) it is observable every year on November 11, when people who pretend to be veterans join the parade of real ones, medals and all. Some of them wear such improbable medal groups that they are easy to spot by Those Who Know.
I encountered one such in the pub a while ago, who claimed to have PTSD because of his service in Iraq/Afghanistan. Obviously bullshit (he was far too old).
“Was that before or after you piloted the Enola Gay?” Was my response…
- The Blocked Dwarf
June 9, 2015 at 6:05 pm -
“Was that before or after you piloted the Enola Gay?” Was my response…
SNORK! My usual reply to the “My Life In The SAS” Bloke in every 80s pub was “Have you heard the Good News about Jesus Christ? “….that tended to clear me elbow room at the bar nicely-…
In the 90s another good ‘trick’ to get service quickly was to walk into a pub or a party and announce LOUDLY “Blessed Be”… (nobody in their right or unright mind wanting to share a cider or mead with a Wiccan…and probable vegan).
- Robert Edwards
June 9, 2015 at 7:21 pm -
What actually shoo’d him away was when I mentioned that the senior NCOs of 40 Commando (our local lads, just back from Ganners, as they call it) not only all drank there, but were also due shortly for the start of a farewell to a colleague. “I’m sure you’d like to meet them…”
Usain Bolt? Naaah…
- Robert Edwards
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Bandini
June 9, 2015 at 2:51 pm -
From the linked Hencke-article: “…a third survivor, a man already talking to the Met Police, about allegations in Dolphin Square, London has identified from a picture of Esther as a child, her being there. ”
Judging by the Twitter-narrative I am assuming – perhaps incorrectly – that the identifier is the ‘Toffington Hall’ accuser. I mentioned on Moor’s site that he was organizing a group of spade-carrying activists to go & dig up the multiple-graves he claims are located there; it seems to have been ‘postponed’.
Hencke’s steady descent into madness is frightening to observe, each successive article another nail in the lid of the coffin containing his journalistic credibility:
“And the police need to track down who is ALLEGED to have carried out such vile acts and bring them to trial.”
Eh? Surely the police need to ‘track down’ the alleged perpetrators & investigate to see if they have anything whatsoever to do with the ALLEGED crimes BEFORE bringing them to trial? No, he & the believers really don’t see it this way at all & now he writes that a “prison cell awaits” those wicked trolls who he seems to define as anyone who dares to NOT believe the fantastical claims being aired publicly on Twitter, etc..
Anyone who truly ‘believes’ these claims, based solely on what has been publicly revealed, has taken leave of their senses, regardless of what may later come to light. Anyone wishing to ‘believe’ the Toffington Hall accuser, for example, would have a hard time keeping up with WHAT it is they are supposed to be believing, as it chops & changes at an alarming rate:
One day all victims are urged to run & hide – literally, to flee – from the police, who are ‘part of the problem’. The next day, and it’s: “Come out, come out where ever you are!” & now the police are doing a fantastic job. 24-hours later (or less!) and the fiasco is repeated. Over & over again.
He also now claims that Irish Travellers, Romany Gypsies and, er, the ‘Battle Of The Beanfield’ crusties all had children (‘Beanie Babies’?) snatched to be whisked away to Dolphin Square to be raped/tortured/murdered. Hmmm… I’d love to comment but fear that ‘prison cell’!
On a related note, I had a ‘heated discussion’ with Tim Tate the other day here:
https://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2015/06/02/an-response-to-bbc-radio-4s-analysis-programme-by-tim-tate/comment-page-1/
After dealing with ‘Tabloid Tim’ another avatar again questioned my ‘personal animosity’ towards some others. As I pointed out (again) the internet entity & proxy Exaro-mudslinger who is now acting as a go-between (‘Darren’ & the police) “…went to great lengths to defame me as – amongst other things – a child-kidnapping paedophile with possible links to ‘snuff’ films” & was instrumental in promoting what I sought to question – involvement of DHG in the Elm-tale – something which has now been accepted as a total fantasy & which more-or-less torpedoes the whole pile of bullshit being pushed by Chris Fay & chums.Hencke mentions those prison cells awaiting those who have caused mischief “by means of a public electronic communications network” – this would surely include the Exaro-proxy (amongst others!) mentioned above. I’d certainly give the key an extra turn in the door.
P.S. Have to agree with Henry The Horse abar the above – “Calm down, missus, calm down!”
- Bandini
June 9, 2015 at 3:48 pm -
Oh look – Exaro have just noticed an article in The Independent:
https://twitter.com/ExaroNews/status/608264678519750657
The article that they “missed” leads to Needleblog/Tim Tate mentioned above – what an enormous surprise!‘Ring a ring o’ roses…’
- Daisy Ray
June 9, 2015 at 7:13 pm -
This case is damned weird. It isn’t just a name plucked off the internet, because the ex-MP concerned has gone to the police complaining about perversion of justice and talking about conspiracies. It looks like an attempt to frame a particular person for a particular reason. Esther has implied in her Tweets that she has at least second-hand contact with the person concerned. When she found out the man was going to the Sunday papers, Baker rushed to Exaro with a spoiler. Apparently, two other women have come forward with accusations about Mr X. Baker didn’t give the name so presumably they too were assaulted in Cannock Chase (otherwise the reports would be an extraordinary coincidence). But Exaro don’t give the source for this so we can’t tell if these really are independent reports, or if they come from Baker. If the truth about this comes out, I’d like to say it would be explosive but the media are so in love with the ‘paedo in a roller ‘ script it will probably make no impact at all. BTW Bandini, always pleased to see your posts, wish I had your talent for thorough research.
- Bandini
June 9, 2015 at 10:09 pm -
Thanks for the kind words, Daisy. If I’d thought I’d still be following all this when I started I would have set-up a blog, I suppose. Too late now!
The point about ‘independent reports’ – I’m not even sure such a thing is possible anymore in the digital-age. What we saw with Savile (and ‘exposed’ here and elsewhere) seems to have been a dry-run for what was to come: stories cooked up in internet-forums with the probable complicity of journalists & other interested parties. Some tales no doubt start out honourably enough, but get spiced along the way – anything to sell a story!
(The man who recently related his recently-recovered story of abuse – as an adult in 1975 – to BBC Radio 4’s ‘World At One’ a case in point: he discovered a diary in his attic which contained names & information that IF it was written at the time would have backed-up his claims to a substantial degree. The reporter seemed interested – could this be the proof necessary? She took a “high-res” copy to check it out, and it looked promising. Unfortunately, when she returned – thinking in ‘carbon dating’ the artefact or something – the man had decided to have a ceremonial burning of the one piece of solid evidence! Oh dear. It was made clear that he had been investigating his OWN story in forums & the like, filling in the gaps. Now we will never know if the names written in red-ink were jotted down 40 years ago or rather more recently.)
- Outlaw
June 10, 2015 at 11:58 pm -
Hey Bandini, you do realise that me and you posting on the same corner of the interwebs, will only reinforce the righteous ones’ belief that we are indeed ‘one and the same’ after all.
From what I have witnessed online and what has been communicated to me privately, if any genuine survivor of abuse is not prepared to let the likes of Exaro, Bill Baloney, Mark Williams Thomas, Gojam or any of the CSA ‘Advocates’ and ‘Representatives’ rummage about in their underwear, then they will not find any support online – especially on social networks.
Was that the intention all along? Hand-picked survivors, all of a certain demographic, reading from the same script and attempting to send even the most rational researcher and observer every which way but the right way.
Smoke, mirrors and a generous helping of unadulterated manure thrown into the mix to make sure the well is completely poisoned.
A job well done I should think.
- Bandini
June 11, 2015 at 1:03 pm -
Now then, now then, now then, Jimmy!
Like silly little kittens, they are, tying themselves in knots as they play with a ball of wool…And what’s happened to Gojam’s blockbuster – the result of his “two-year investigation” which was supposed to be unleashed last week? The one that will show that HE hasn’t had anything to do with any conspiracy – allegedly. Must be working off a Satanic-calendar or summat! (Either that or he’s got his nose stuck in the Photoshop-manual – ho ho ho!).
- Outlaw
June 12, 2015 at 12:33 am -
Was it last week?
I am still waiting patiently for the ‘Bigger Than Watergate’ blockbuster he was going to unleash on the interwebs sometime in 2013!!!!
That’s the trouble with Liberal Democrats, even ex-councillor wannabe’s obsessed with the sexual and physical ‘abuse’ of children – they will gleefully clamber into bed with anybody they believe will raise their profile and give them credibility, but are usually cast out soon after as they almost always fail to deliver on their promises.
- Outlaw
- Bandini
- Outlaw
- IlovetheBBC
June 10, 2015 at 7:56 pm -
If you read back on her twitter feed, the man she’s accusing is part of the CSA inquiry – or at very least was involved in setting it up. It is possible to work it out by following her and the Wilmers’ accounts.
- Bandini
- Bandini
June 10, 2015 at 2:04 pm -
Regular as clockwork comes the warning:
“To all survivors, run, hide don’t go to police…”
Followed by:
“Just so everyone is clear, I won’t be trusting any police ever again with anything, I’ll be doing another media piece very very soon…”Aye, we shall see…
Meanwhile, another Henckian word-turd plopped splashingly into my inbox regarding the battle for the chair of the Home Office Select Committee.
The “controversial” MP Keith Vaz is facing a challenge from Fiona Mactaggart.I’m absolutely not a fan of Vaz; in fact, he provokes a sensation of revulsion in me in much the same way that the early memory of a revolting insect cocoon hidden inside a rolled-up leaf described above did! However, there is an interesting & perhaps revealing description of Mactaggart:
“…a doughty campaigner on human rights, civil liberties and race equality with strong views about prostitution – linking it to people trafficking and comparing the men who used prostitutes as little more than child abusers.”
Wow! Really? Neither am I a ‘fan’ of prostitution, but respect others’ right to do what they so choose with their own lives. The notion that a client is on a par with a child abuser is incredible – and, I imagine, one shared by the puritans who are slowly showing us their cards. No prizes for guessing who Hencke will be rooting for.
- Betty
June 11, 2015 at 1:11 pm -
When not fighting off faeces flinging (good DNA in that!), urine spraying, chicken feather throwing, note leaving attackers, organising erm digs, obsessing over Mr Wood and the menu at Wetherspoons, he would be wise to research something that he very plainly struggles with, which is the difference between corroberation and collusion.
- Bandini
June 11, 2015 at 1:24 pm -
Indeed, Betty!
While Exaro were dipping into petty cash for the £75 self-nomination fees – for their own stories, in a back-slapping awards ceremony by ‘the media’ who they claim ignored all the things they are trying to expose – I couldn’t help thinking that the money would have more usefully been employed buying the most basic surveillance equipment (or even an always-on webcam) to gather evidence of this non-stop harassment of one of their star-witnesses!- Betty
June 11, 2015 at 1:53 pm -
It would be a start if they even followed him. Exaro go nowhere near him on Twitter, well, except for one – I’m sure you can guess which one.
- Betty
June 11, 2015 at 1:59 pm -
Correction. Two more recent additions following, but the main account and the boss do not.
- Outlaw
June 12, 2015 at 12:40 am -
They blocked me for asking why Hencke lied about the ‘Cash for Questions’ stitch up.
I didn’t get a chance to quiz them about their financial backers, one of whom is a Labour Peer with some interesting ‘friends’.
- Bandini
June 12, 2015 at 12:34 pm -
There is an interesting discussion about Exaro here:
http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5580/mark-watts-joins-lbc-newsmakers-to-discuss-vip-paedophilesTessa Jowell asks about their aims, and the host asks Watts how they are funded; the reply to the latter is that they found an investor. However, Watts goes on to say that they “are not a commercial operation in the sense that we are not a money-making operation” (from about 27’15”). This is quite a turnaround, as when they started the “investor” made it plain that the idea WAS to be a commercially sucessful outfit & he was looking for a return on said investment; they were, of course, previously a subscription-site. But no longer.
(There are some pretty astute questions raised by ‘Robert Dobbson’ in the comments section, although I think those about Exaro’s – ahem! – use of forums & social-media don’t go nearly far enough in their probing. Watts detonates another case of well-past-its-‘best before date’-dynamite with the revelation that the idea of Vishal Mehrotra being linked to Elm is a “red herring”… others have been labelled all manner of depraved deviants for suggesting similar things!)
Meanwhile, “Darren” is complaining that the police aren’t returning calls/updating him (forgetting yesterday’s statements as expected!), his go-between suddenly needs a good lie-down (“I’ll be watching frm afar for the next few weeks as I try gather some strength against the darker elements here…”) but still has the energy to put the boot into – of all people! – Liz Davies, and Rory Wilmer has got his spirograph out again: pantomime season has come early!
- Betty
June 13, 2015 at 12:40 am -
Hasn’t “Darren” also said that the police said he was a violent criminal, mentally ill and a liar? If he reads his own earlier tweets maybe they’ll give him a clue as to why the police are “washing their hair” whenever he calls them. I’d be washing my hair whenever he called and deciding that a good lie down for the forseeable future was probably the wisest course of action too.
- Betty
- Moor Larkin
June 12, 2015 at 1:08 pm -
Zac Goldsmith is a big fan.
“Zac Goldsmith: I am going to bring my remarks to a close. We have a chance now to put these appalling wrongs right. That is partially thanks to intervention by people in this House and people outside it. Survivors have played a crucial role, but so, too, did the intervention in this House by the hon. Member for West Bromwich East (Mr Watson). That was crucial in shifting this process forward, as was the exposé of Cyril Smith by the hon. Member for Rochdale. Above all, I wish to pay tribute to the extraordinary work by the investigative journalists at Exaro, particularly David Hencke. That organisation has led the campaign on so many fronts. The mainstream press, who have been so slow to pick up on what is really happening in this scandal, have become heavily dependent, and rightly so, on Exaro.”
http://jimcannotfixthis.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/secret-seven-politics-of-paedophilia.html- Bandini
June 12, 2015 at 1:21 pm -
He went even further, Moor:
“When Mrs Kasir died a few years after the house was raided, in very odd circumstances, a child protection campaigner from the National Association Of Young People In Care [Chris Fay!] called for a criminal investigation into events at Elm guest house. He said he had been told by Mrs Kasir that boys had been brought in from a local children’s home—Grafton Close, also in Richmond—for sex, and that she had photographs of establishment figures at her hotel. One of them apparently showed a former Cabinet Minister in a sauna with a naked boy. She had logbooks, names, times, dates, pictures of her customers and so on. All that evidence simply disappeared after the raids and no longer exists. That is astonishing.”
Aye, it’s astonishing that a bloke now tipped to replace Boris Johnson as Mayor of London (NightMayor?) could stand up in Parliament & spout such utter shite. It was at this point that the scales fell from my eyes regarding Exaro:
- Bandini
- Bandini
- Outlaw
- Betty
- Betty
- Bandini
- Betty
- Bandini
- Mark II
June 9, 2015 at 2:52 pm -
You’ve got to love the Scousers – never slow in taking offence.
- Moor Larkin
June 9, 2015 at 3:33 pm -
Why only take a hubcap when you can have the whole wheel?
- Engineer
June 9, 2015 at 6:06 pm -
What the hell did they do with all those hubcaps?
- The Blocked Dwarf
June 9, 2015 at 6:15 pm -
What the hell did they do with all those hubcaps?
You say ‘hubcap’ , they say “TWOCKING in installments…like fellar”
- Eric
June 9, 2015 at 7:26 pm -
I read the infamous “Boris” article before the hoo-hah. Every word was true, IMO.
- Mike Kemble
June 21, 2015 at 1:29 pm -
hubcaps? Thats so passe!
They now indulge in Alloy Wheel Relocation Programmes. Sponsored by the DSS
- Eric
- The Blocked Dwarf
- mike kemble
October 12, 2015 at 9:37 pm -
Scousers no longer nick wheel hubs/caps. Many are fully employed in the Alloy Wheel Relocation Programme, as run by the local anarchist/socialist groups in the city.
- Engineer
- Moor Larkin
- Carol42
June 9, 2015 at 5:22 pm -
I lived in Liverpool for two years in the 60s and never took to the place at all, everyone seemed to have a chip on their shoulder. When I heard the Esther story on Sky I just felt I heard it all before when I was a bit involved with the SRA cases in Scotland and couldn’t understand why apparently sane people could believe what was clearly nonsense. Hopefully one day this madness will be discredited too. As far as early memories go, I remember being inconsolable because I thought my mother had cut up a ginger kitten ! And her efforts to explain a bad dream, I must have been about 3 then.
- The Blocked Dwarf
June 9, 2015 at 6:18 pm -
everyone seemed to have a chip on their shoulder
Everybody always says we ‘uv a chip ed us shoulders, it’s sooooo UN F ! *insert Tay Town Whine*
- Mudplugger
June 9, 2015 at 9:18 pm -
Most Liverpudlians I’ve encountered, just like most Scots, have a much more balanced personality – they carry chips on both shoulders.
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Alexander Baron
June 10, 2015 at 12:32 am -
Savile on trial –
anyone want to conduct the defence, anyone here or anymoor?
- Rory Wilmer
June 10, 2015 at 7:53 am -
I was born in Guildford, Surrey. I did go to high school in Cheshire… if that’s what you mean by ‘Liverpool’
Nice try lolz
- The Blocked Dwarf
June 10, 2015 at 8:31 am -
Don’t think she actually said you were a born scouser but rather you were a “Liverpool voice” -which googling leads me to believe might be the case. But no worries, you collect food for needy cats and that says more about you than the fact you live/lived in Liverpool.
- Bandini
June 11, 2015 at 12:54 pm -
Rory – or Cap’n, if I may – you have made the accusation that “…’barristerblog’ was caught writing falsehoods about Graham’s case not long after he appointed to panel”, yet when told by the accused to “Tell me what the falsehoods were & I will correct them” you toddle off & waste your time posting links to cartoons & drawings of raccoons and stating that you are not even a scouser (when THAT accusation wasn’t even made!). Surely if you have so much free time you could devote a little of it to actually pointing out the falsehoods so they can be corrected.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/wirral-pothole-campaigner-captain-craters-3572456
- Rory Wilmer
June 18, 2015 at 9:04 am -
Try a boolean search on twitter. Its on his timeline. Ty vole.
- Bandini
June 18, 2015 at 2:07 pm -
Cap’n, I’m not a Twitterer (I have no account).
Even if I was, I’d be unlikely to follow your suggestion of trying a “Boolean search”, though! Again, I have to point out that in the time you just wasted typing the above you could have been correcting an untruth (as the accused has asked you to do).
Your failure to do so suggests you are unable. ¡Mi madre santísima!
- Bandini
- Rory Wilmer
- The Blocked Dwarf
- scorp
June 11, 2015 at 1:18 am -
This latest blogpost by Anna Raccoon is a mix of selective facts, opinion (Anna’s own, mainly), hearsay, and simple errors of fact. If you’re going to appoint yourself the grand adjudicator of which claims of CSA are true and which are not, then at least try and appear to be somewhat objective and fact-based.
(PS: Just for the record, personally, my only association with Liverpool is that I like the Beatles. Never so much as set foot in the place. )
- Bandini
June 11, 2015 at 1:14 pm -
The narrative challenged by Anna Raccoon in this blogpost is a mix of selective facts, opinion (nutters’ own, mainly), hearsay, and simple errors of fact. If you’re going to appoint yourself the grand adjudicator of which of her claims are true and which are not, then at least try to point out which ones you are refering to & provide the facts upon which you base your argunment.
(PS: Just for the record, I like the Beatles too. And I almost entered Liverpool by accident when driving to Manchester once… terrible sense of direction – a shared affliction, perhaps?)
- Bandini
- Moor Larkin
June 12, 2015 at 10:10 am -
I thopught Southport was posh?….
This disturbing video shows the vile moment a woman took a sneaky number two down a supermarket aisle, believed to be in Southport – then carried on shopping.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/woman-poo-bm-bargains-southport-9436282- Bandini
June 12, 2015 at 12:37 pm -
Jesus, it didn’t take her long! And why are they hiding her face?!? What a world!
- Moor Larkin
June 12, 2015 at 1:05 pm -
Data Protection Act I guess.
I wondered how the Echo got hold of the footage. The shop is refusing to comment so I’m guessing someone has purloined the footage and given it to the ‘paper. Someone will be sacked and perhaps prosecuted… or do I mean they might be in the shit?
- Moor Larkin
- Bandini
- Batman
June 18, 2015 at 9:14 am -
Rory most definitely wasn’t the leader of Fathers 4 Justice Liverpool. What utter nonsense right there. That was Pete and Graham who ran F4J Liverpool. Rory was a media spokesperson – what with his education being in… media. Not one member of F4J Liverpool joined any other Fathers fringe movement and it was all disbanded when Matt O’Connor shut the movement down after the Tony Blair Kidnapping Sun story incident. Moreover Rory was part of the creative side of F4J as he helped produce the channel 4 documentary with Bob Geldof on Fathers and the documentary film ‘Dads Army: The Men Who Stormed The Palace’. So Im sorry to say but if this blog makes such basic errors of fact – nothing on this site can be trusted what so ever – Total fairytales. Do you want to dance with the devil in the pale moonlight?
- Mike Kemble
June 21, 2015 at 1:26 pm -
As with all charitable organisations and such, corruption is only just beneath the surface. I trust none of them, especially when their CE earns £162.000 a year, or more. The organisations that have sprang up over the recent years in the area are probably wholesome and genuine, for the most part. But I wonder if every penny donated has been accountable? I am deeply suspicious of some. People read what they want to read, and reading is biased in favour of belief. To be critical of anything in this country, not just Liverpool, invites a usual torrent of abuse and, in a few cases, threats. Some people do not want to hear criticisms or opposition. It disturbs their sense of security and misled belief in the status quo. Lets get another thing straight, the media does not tell the truth, nor do they report accurately. I was interviewed for a local rag once, what they printed was nothing at all to do with the interview!! It was fiction. Editors tell you what they want you to hear, the same goes for the tv media especially, especially the BBC. This article is very good and based on sound knowledge, but the bottom line is that the writing might, just might, be based also on a belief. But isnt that true of anything? It does not detract from the right of this person to express that belief, that is probably based on some honest to goodness research. Read, digest and form your own opinion, but do respect the persons right to say it, its called freedom of speech and a little known concept in the UK today, democracy!!
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